Per 6-E-1, the Player can use either the Aiming Point Procedure, 6-E-2, or the Impact Hand Location Procedure, 7-8, for Power Package Delivery. The Aiming Point Procedure is an automatic and indirect equivalent of the Impact Hand Location Procedure. As Yoda has stated in an older thread:
Both procedures produce identical Hand Location and Flat Left Wrist alignments at Impact.
Then, why is the Aiming Point Concept "mandatory for Control of any Snap Release" (6-E-1)?
By the way: In that other thread Yoda explained that the "Aiming Point of the Hands" that Ben Doyle teaches was not the Aiming Point procedure from 6-E-2, but rather the Impact Hand Location procedure of 7-8. Does anybody know why Ben uses the term Aiming Point for his procedure if it is not the Aiming Point from the book? I find that a little surprising - considering Mr Kelley's concern for terminology (1-H):
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The result is that this book provides a complete, unified golfing terminology. Even if a term offends, use it as indicated, anyway.
I do not mean to offend or criticize anybody by asking this, I am just curious.
Could it be that Ben's procedure together with the setup he teaches (ball always placed at the same distance from the left heel, so that a wider or narrower stance will change the distance between the ball and the left shoulder) makes for an indirect application of the Aiming Point concept from the book (in particular, the procedure presented as #2 at the end of 6-E-2, p. 86 of the 7th edition) even with an Impact Hand Location procedure?
Does that make any sense to you? I am struggling a bit to explain myself here.
Ok, So....., you're tracing the Plane Line with your #3 Pressure Point. Where along that Line is the #3 PP aimed during Release?
Here's more info: Wherever the location on the Plane Line, that the Right Forearm is pointing, is where the #3 PP is aimed (Flashlight lashed to the Right Forearm with the Lens at the #3 PP). So, with a Snap Release, the Right Forearm is pointing (Angle of Approach) way ahead of the Ball Location at Release.
The Picture Below illustrates a "Random Sweep Release". The dashed white line represents the Angle of Approach approximately at Impact. If you were to use a Snap Release, that dashed white Line would be your Right Forearm Angle of Approach at Release.
I think you are asking some great questions and I feel I will learn a lot from answers to them as Daryl just did. This one in particular is an area I struggle with. YODA has said Bobby Clampett's version of Aiming Point differs from Homer Kelley's. I wonder if Bobby's is similar to Ben Doyle's version you mentioned? I am a HUGE fan of The Impact Zone, but would love to be able to translate the specifics of Aiming Point back to the Machine the way YODA prefers...
Tough stuff, threads like this remind me how far I have to go in my journey.
Kevin
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This is going to be hard to describe but I always thought of aiming point as a procedure to locate the hands location at impact in relation to the ball, meaning if they are farther forward or back or whatever, but there relation was parallel to the ball target baseline.......what I did not realize till yesterday was that this concept also can play a part in the hands location in relation to the body, measuring closer or further away from it........now I drive my hands not only forward but down and inward (I am shift the baseline left in my pattern, for a fade). I have no clue if this makes sense. This is a pretty easy way to move the baselines around. For a hang back head and shoulder drop slider all this did was stop the slide and move the right shoulder more around and down plane. Its almost impossible not to have a flat left wrist. Drive #1 low and left, blast off #4 right before impact. Definitely a hitting procedure but I still have plenty of pivot.
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This is going to be hard to describe but I always thought of aiming point as a procedure to locate the hands location at impact in relation to the ball, meaning if they are farther forward or back or whatever, but there relation was parallel to the ball target baseline.......what I did not realize till yesterday was that this concept also can play a part in the hands location in relation to the body, measuring closer or further away from it........now I drive my hands not only forward but down and inward (I am shift the baseline left in my pattern, for a fade). I have no clue if this makes sense. This is a pretty easy way to move the baselines around. For a hang back head and shoulder drop slider all this did was stop the slide and move the right shoulder more around and down plane. Its almost impossible not to have a flat left wrist. Drive #1 low and left, blast off #4 right before impact. Definitely a hitting procedure but I still have plenty of pivot.
Very interesting, I would love to hear more discussion on this. My thought is that it may not be part of Aiming Point as Homer Kelley teaches, but could be a great addition. Perhaps even tied to 2-J-3, another area I need to get a better grasp of...
Kevin
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This is going to be hard to describe but I always thought of aiming point as a procedure to locate the hands location at impact in relation to the ball, meaning if they are farther forward or back or whatever, but there relation was parallel to the ball target baseline.......what I did not realize till yesterday was that this concept also can play a part in the hands location in relation to the body, measuring closer or further away from it........now I drive my hands not only forward but down and inward (I am shift the baseline left in my pattern, for a fade). I have no clue if this makes sense. This is a pretty easy way to move the baselines around. For a hang back head and shoulder drop slider all this did was stop the slide and move the right shoulder more around and down plane. Its almost impossible not to have a flat left wrist. Drive #1 low and left, blast off #4 right before impact. Definitely a hitting procedure but I still have plenty of pivot.
I think I believed as you did GMB. If I did Impact Fix, I was rehearsing my Aim Point or target to use in Thrusting while Hitting with the club or Angle of Approach while Swinging with the club. Very interesting. I'm still trying to learn from Daryl's post here, too.
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Ok, So....., you're tracing the Plane Line with your #3 Pressure Point. Where along that Line is the #3 PP aimed during Release?
Here's more info: Wherever the location on the Plane Line, that the Right Forearm is pointing, is where the #3 PP is aimed (Flashlight lashed to the Right Forearm with the Lens at the #3 PP). So, with a Snap Release, the Right Forearm is pointing (Angle of Approach) way ahead of the Ball Location at Release.
The Picture Below illustrates a "Random Sweep Release". The dashed white line represents the Angle of Approach approximately at Impact. If you were to use a Snap Release, that dashed white Line would be your Right Forearm Angle of Approach at Release.
This is an interesting pic.....people use Hogan as the poster boy for accumulator lag.....this pic certainly doesn't support that ..... Also where is the shaft lean??? I know this wasn't hit off turf but you can find other pics like this. Also look at the layback off the face as supported by the location of the handle. Also with the amount of angle that hogan loads and the lack of lean delivered to the ball.....hogan may have had an aiming point AFT of the ballot achieve this pic
Daryl,
Where your "aiming" your hands and where they actually end up are to different things correct? If im aiming my #3pp at the ball tracing the plane line, my hands will end up over my left toe at impact. correct ?
Thanks
Mac.
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Yes, over your Left toe, or Approx, for every club in the bag. The Right Forearm Angle of Approach.
Wow, Mac....very Important thing to understand, and you've got it or you're getting it.
It's true that if you direct the #3 PP directly at the Ball, the Clubshaft will trace the Plane Line. Hmm? However, We should be Tracing the Plane line with a Light emitting from the #3 PP with a Bent and Level Right Wrist along the Length of the Right Forearm. (The Bent wrist allows the Light to trace the Plane Line although the Forearm is pointing above, or outside the Line).
So, one Alignment, the one that you're talking about (Clubshaft Tracing), can be aimed directly at the ball during the down-stroke, as long as the other (Forearm Tracing) is tracing the Plane Line through the Release and Impact Interval. These are both necessary, in the geometrically Aligned sense.
So, for you...and me...Tracing begins at the Ball and travels the Plane Line at Release to Both Arms Straight. Snap Release Procedure.
I happen to have had a lesson today with Mr. Doyle at the Quail Lodge. He is doing quite well and worked with me a couple of hours.
During the leson I asked him about the aiming point. He took out a small chunk of turf near my left foot and said that was the aiming point. I asked about #3 pp, and he stated that was to monitor lag and direct the club head to the inside aft of the ball.
I am having a playing lesson with him tomorrow and will be happy to follow up if anyone has any questions arising out of what he said.
Naturally, working wth Ben is a great joy. Signed my Golf Machine Book. Going to his house tomorrow and play his par three course and meet his wife.
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