Know what ya mean. I been chasing more longitudinal for years and just love Hogans swing even though I'm more Strickerish. Some buddies of mine have tons of rope handle, too much to thier minds ( it can cause it's own set of problems , distance control with short irons etc). Both these guys are crazy long and bit it pure pure pure. Both would willing trade me some of their longitudinal for " the nice width" they like in my Startdown. Still trying to figure out how to do this. I'd make the trade in a heart beat.
My point is that we all admire that super late look but only a few can really achieve it maybe. I dunno.but regardless you have options in terms of Release and it's probably best to pursue one that you are capable of achieving.
That said there is a mEchanical advantage .... That of the smaller pulley wheel, endless belt. Practically for the golfer the Hands do speed up ( otherwise there wouldn't be any lag pressure for instance). And slow down upon lever ExtEnsion. I guess we are talking swinging in his discussion and so ruling out q muscular Effort to add hand speed during release.
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I personally don't think the super late look is difficult to achieve if you know the required motion that goes into it.
I would use strong left hand grip which would lead to a strong double action. On the downswing, if the shaft were a huge comb, then you pull comb the back of your hair of which length ends in the middle of your back. Do that and take a face on video, if you are surprised with the ensuing look, share it. This is one of the most effective ways I know of to increase the mechanical advantage.
I personally don't think the super late look is difficult to achieve if you know the required motion that goes into it.
I would use strong left hand grip which would lead to a strong double action. On the downswing, if the shaft were a huge comb, then you pull comb the back of your hair of which length ends in the middle of your back. Do that and take a face on video, if you are surprised with the ensuing look, share it. This is one of the most effective ways I know of to increase the mechanical advantage.
Thanks comdpa but Im not sure I follow. Im intrigued though so please expand.
What is the benefit of the strong left hand grip? Are you talking a 10-2-D type where Right Hand bend is inline with Left Wrist cocking? Is the hair combing a plane shift in Startdown or prior maybe?
Thanks comdpa but Im not sure I follow. Im intrigued though so please expand.
What is the benefit of the strong left hand grip? Are you talking a 10-2-D type where Right Hand bend is inline with Left Wrist cocking? Is the hair combing a plane shift in Startdown or prior maybe?
The strong left hand grip will help you retain more left wrist cock - try for yourself, with a "normal" grip and this one.
The combing the hair move is basically a trigger to start down if you will. Yes, it will result in shift to a lower plane. It will also aid in preventing the right shoulder from rotating off plane at the startdown.
I personally don't think the super late look is difficult to achieve if you know the required motion that goes into it.
I would use strong left hand grip which would lead to a strong double action. On the downswing, if the shaft were a huge comb, then you pull comb the back of your hair of which length ends in the middle of your back. Do that and take a face on video, if you are surprised with the ensuing look, share it. This is one of the most effective ways I know of to increase the mechanical advantage.
Good technique and imagery. There are other ways too.
Know what ya mean. I been chasing more longitudinal for years and just love Hogans swing even though I'm more Strickerish. Some buddies of mine have tons of rope handle, too much to thier minds ( it can cause it's own set of problems , distance control with short irons etc). Both these guys are crazy long and bit it pure pure pure. Both would willing trade me some of their longitudinal for " the nice width" they like in my Startdown. Still trying to figure out how to do this. I'd make the trade in a heart beat.
My point is that we all admire that super late look but only a few can really achieve it maybe. I dunno.but regardless you have options in terms of Release and it's probably best to pursue one that you are capable of achieving.
That said there is a mEchanical advantage .... That of the smaller pulley wheel, endless belt. Practically for the golfer the Hands do speed up ( otherwise there wouldn't be any lag pressure for instance). And slow down upon lever ExtEnsion. I guess we are talking swinging in his discussion and so ruling out q muscular Effort to add hand speed during release.
I'm typing on my phone can somebody please post
The paragra
I'm not so sure that your position on "mechanical advantage" isn't circular argument . . . . but anyways . . .
what specifically are the mechanical advantages of a "smaller pulley wheel"?
What defines the pulley wheel? The assumptions are that a small wheel is some how better . . . are there any disadvantages?
Is there a distinction and/or relationship to handpath and the pulley wheel? Or is it all about "delaying the release" of #1/#2?
See " Overtaking Rate" too from Wristcock 2-P. As for the Endless Belt I'd say it's an analogy and all analogies are well just analogies. The hand speed is not really constant the hand path is not truly straight line for very long anyways, but the overtaking rate is real and straighter hand paths do have less associated cf throwout. The physics of circular motion is real for water skiing, car tires, gears, pulleys.. etc
If you have snap and high hand speed you are doubly blessed. Can snap be learned? Homer thought so but he also alluded to each of us having an ideal hand speed. For those who can't cant pull it all off , they can add muscular drive out , thrusting to match the club head speed. Higher hand speed same clubhead speed bigger pulley wheel as pushing on the aft of the handle tends towards an earlier Release as the left hand swivels off the plane with the drive out action.
I think maybe. Me if I go 4b hitting I don't think too much about having a lot of #2 angle late it's more about saving some right arm for the ball and it's that last bit of right elbow bend that's most powerful like a boxers jab vs a huge Right elbow bend late thing.
I once asked Yoda if I should give up on getting to snap when swinging and he replied that I should be able to do both ( snap and random sweep). Still a work in progress. Im Trying to get more longitudinal at present when I'm practicing anywAys. When playing I go with my usual full Stricker.
Bucket you love Hogan why you arguing the other side on this one? Are you fighting with he small pulley wheel? I've seen some Sergio types and what they can struggle with .... But it can be mastered by dialing the longitudinal down when its not needed or wanted. Slowing the ground up, pulling, drag loading down some. The two guys I know who are crazy late both struggle with distance control on short irons. They'd rather hit it hard than take something off it for some reason. One guy does long drive ....made it to Vegas as an amateur once and swears he is all left arm, no right arm at all. Auto or non auto snap? He doesn't know. On film his hands flip over quickly which is perhaps an indication of the Homers non auto whiplashing action maybe??????
Homer and his components are fascinating but the definitions the interplay between components is frustratingly complex....... As it should be I suppose.
Me I like Strickers swing a lot, but the Hogan slow mo footage from Mexico is so so intoxicating.
See " Overtaking Rate" too from Wristcock 2-P. As for the Endless Belt I'd say it's an analogy and all analogies are well just analogies. The hand speed is not really constant the hand path is not truly straight line for very long anyways, but the overtaking rate is real and straighter hand paths do have less associated cf throwout. The physics of circular motion is real for water skiing, car tires, gears, pulleys.. etc
If you have snap and high hand speed you are doubly blessed. Can snap be learned? Homer thought so but he also alluded to each of us having an ideal hand speed. For those who can't cant pull it all off , they can add muscular drive out , thrusting to match the club head speed. Higher hand speed same clubhead speed bigger pulley wheel as pushing on the aft of the handle tends towards an earlier Release as the left hand swivels off the plane with the drive out action.
I think maybe. Me if I go 4b hitting I don't think too much about having a lot of #2 angle late it's more about saving some right arm for the ball and it's that last bit of right elbow bend that's most powerful like a boxers jab vs a huge Right elbow bend late thing.
I once asked Yoda if I should give up on getting to snap when swinging and he replied that I should be able to do both ( snap and random sweep). Still a work in progress. Im Trying to get more longitudinal at present when I'm practicing anywAys. When playing I go with my usual full Stricker.
Bucket you love Hogan why you arguing the other side on this one? Are you fighting with he small pulley wheel? I've seen some Sergio types and what they can struggle with .... But it can be mastered by dialing the longitudinal down when its not needed or wanted. Slowing the ground up, pulling, drag loading down some. The two guys I know who are crazy late both struggle with distance control on short irons. They'd rather hit it hard than take something off it for some reason. One guy does long drive ....made it to Vegas as an amateur once and swears he is all left arm, no right arm at all. Auto or non auto snap? He doesn't know. On film his hands flip over quickly which is perhaps an indication of the Homers non auto whiplashing action maybe??????
Homer and his components are fascinating but the definitions the interplay between components is frustratingly complex....... As it should be I suppose.
Me I like Strickers swing a lot, but the Hogan slow mo footage from Mexico is so so intoxicating.
Where do you think the pulley wheel is? Not being a smartass I'm being serious. If you actually had to demonstrate it to someone where would locate the wheel with a snappy type deal?
How many mortals can do Hogan/Sergio and be any good at it? The stuff these cats are talking about . . . is it what Hogan did?
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