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[KevCarter]

Is the d-plane Homer's work or not? Just a simple question yes or no. That's all i want to know. It is superior in that it is way more complete in all aspects of ball flight theory than anything Homer wrote, like it or not.

Mike, who said it was Homer Kelley's work?

Kevin

[footwedge]

Mike, who said it was Homer Kelley's work?

Kevin

Mike who? Jason is my name and i didn't say anyone said it was Homer's work i just want to know who came up with the theory in the first place Theo.J. or H.K. And from what i read i find it more complete than in the book, that's it.

[KevCarter]

Mike who? Jason is my name and i didn't say anyone said it was Homer's work i just want to know who came up with the theory in the first place Theo.J. or H.K. And from what i read i find it more complete than in the book, that's it.

Got it. Thanks Mike.

[footwedge]

Got it. Thanks Mike.

What is your problem? I told you my name. I will give you my ph# and you can call me and then after you can apologize for calling me Mike is that cool or I'll call you i got nothing to hide.

[strav]

From a practical standpoint, what can the D-Plane concept do for you that 1-L #5 through #17 cannot? Also, on what other basis -- practical or theoretical -- is it superior?

There are now two camps, one espousing Kelley’s work the other Jorgensen’s. This is like disputing the value of the chicken over the egg. One is an integral part of the other. One is the machine (1-L #5 through #17) the other the result (D-Plane). Without either both are poorer.
That which increases our understanding of this game should be embraced by all.

[O.B.Left]

From a practical standpoint, what can the D-Plane concept do for you that 1-L #5 through #17 cannot? Also, on what other basis -- practical or theoretical -- is it superior?

I like this question. Anyone know the answer?

[Ringer]

From a practical standpoint, what can the D-Plane concept do for you that 1-L #5 through #17 cannot? Also, on what other basis -- practical or theoretical -- is it superior?

For one thing it explains Hogan's ball position chart much more clearly. Where does it say in 1-L 5-17 that one should open their stance as the low point gets further ahead of the ball? One must infer that information themselves based on other statements.

The D-Plane is there to help discern true path as opposed to plane line for the real resultant path of the clubhead during impact. It's been a while since I've brushed up on my TGM but I pulled it out for the sections you cited and cannot find any reference to true path. Is there another location I should be looking besides 1-L 5-17?

Also, something else D-Plane explains is that straighter shots come from higher lofted clubs than longer clubs. That's something I explained in the first video cited but I do not see any such mention by Homer.

[12 piece bucket]

I think the tilting of spin axis of the ball and the divot been down and out aren't enough for your claim about Homer and the d-plane , from what i have read about the d-plane there is alot more to it than that. Seems a bit of a leap.

I never said Homer came up with the D-plane . . . however in 2-D-0 . . . he clearly says PRACTICALLY right angles to the face . . . didn't give the exact percentage . . . can you?

So he didn't have a video camera . . . a radar machine . . . or a computer . . . he was a lot closer than anybody else . . . was it 100%? Maybe not . . .but pretty dang close . . . and tell your homeeeez to spell my name right . . .

[12 piece bucket]

Is the d-plane Homer's work or not? Just a simple question yes or no. That's all i want to know. It is superior in that it is way more complete in all aspects of ball flight theory than anything Homer wrote, like it or not.

No. Wasn't his . . . We're clearly all to hell about it over here . . . hey Lynnard reckon we outta shut the joint down now . . . gameover . .

Keep real boyz it's been fun . . . tell your boys over there it's Dick Cruz . . . spell it right.

[O.B.Left]

Im going from memory here (Yoda'll know) but I remember an account of Homer saying that the ball leaves at an angle that is about 85 percent due to face angle but that for all practical purposes you may as well say it was 90 degrees as a rule of thumb. He said something about golf not being played by people with a slide rule in their pocket or something, at least not by the people he was talking to.