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Old 09-22-2011, 03:28 PM
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Not to beat a dead horse, but....

I'm agreement with both of you.

1) Steve Stricker's swing looks like a picture perfect model of the TGM flying wedge alignments.
2) it looks like Stricker has minimal or zero left wrist cock.


The more I think I about this, the more I've come to the conclusion that if the hands are joined together (without slippage), the only way one could cock a flat left wrist while maintaining the fixed impact angle in the right wrist would be if the right wrist angle was 90 degrees (i.e. the right wrist is perpendicular to the left wrist). OR the right elbow is flying all over the place...


Nonetheless, I'm OK with the fundamental ideals and am not looking to get too hung up in the minutia. I just want to make sure I have the basic Mechanics correct so that I don't groove the incorrect feel.
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Old 09-22-2011, 07:04 PM
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Ckniker.

I haven't been thinking about the frozen right wrist for a while, but I have found something that is very solid back and through, while working mainly with the pivot. But it is hardly a coincidence that the right wrist is level bent at the top and remains so throughout the down stroke.

You can match the left wrist cocking and uncocking with the right elbow bending and straightening. When you get it, there is no limit as to how much left wrist cock you can apply. But you need a setup and a rhythm that makes the left wrist cock blend in with a frozen right wrist / bending and straightening of the right elbow.

In order to make it work you also need to move the whole primary lever (left arm plus club) as one single unit . No independant & flippy club motion. But that is also a BIG reason for doing it. You also need a fundamentally sound posture with sufficient forward tilting of your spine / sufficient steep down swing shoulder turn, amongst other things. .

When you make it work, the right hand and arm becomes a very powerful companion to the left side and you're set for a super solid impact. If you like to hit, you can hit it hard and if you prefer to swing you've set yourself up to brace your impact alignment with a rock solid extensior action.

Any cocking and uncocking of the right wrist may disrupt the rhythmic relationship between the left arm and the club, and may induce a flip or at least a discontinuity in the lag pressure - at least to the extent that you actually use the right hand in the down stroke. If you're a swinger with little or no extensior action the frozen right wrist is less important.
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Old 09-22-2011, 10:45 PM
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Sorry, but in both videos at the :08 mark, the right wrist has clearly cocked up from the LEVEL(partially uncocked) position. ANY swing in which the club is swung up over the right shoulder with the shaft pointing targetward, even if not horizontal, HAS to cock the right wrist. Were his right wrist level at the Top, the shaft would point straight up or backwards. Most tour players cock the right wrist, and just because TGM prescribes otherwise, the reality can't be denied.
Homer likened to it an airplanes landing gear, me I like the pneumatic door closer. Try spreading your hands apart on the shaft to see how the right hand does not need to cock necessarily.
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Old 09-23-2011, 10:03 AM
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I'm not sure I understand the airplane landing gear analogy but spreading the hands apart helps to visualize what should be going on with the right wrist....

Thanks to all....
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Old 09-23-2011, 12:07 PM
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You could cock the right wrist ....lots of guys do, but it adds precious little to power and breaks the Right Forearm Flying Wedge . Something you would have to re align prior to Impact if you want it structural advantage. So why bother if simplification is a goal.

Lynn told me that a one armed golfer might need to cock the right hand. Food for thought.

Try chipping with just right arm and feel , see the Structural Advantage of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge through the shot. Once you feel it you'll never want to break it for any shot of any length ......and you dont need to. Its like a battering ram swinging or hitting. And something you can Trace with too. Power and Direction.

(keep the right hand level, the right forearm in line with shaft from DTL, freeze the right wrist in its bent at fix position or bend it back a tad in transition and then freeze it if you prefer, fan and bend the right forearm and right elbow.... and always always try to feel the lag pressure. Youre good , nutted chips with compression will always be accompanied by lag pressure! You can take this one armed chipping very seriously , Tiger does as he warms up before every round. I know a guy who chips like that on the course to overcome his chip yips and hes a good chipper.

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Old 09-24-2011, 08:42 AM
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A thumb to the shoulder
CK - try this drill....

stand without a club in golf posture

make a fist with your left hand and point your thumb away from the target (so the back of the left hand faces away from you, 'turned' 90 degrees)

grab your left thumb 'underhanded' with your right (so if you pointed the right thumb, both thumbs are pointed away from the target)

Now - without doing anything else with the hands - use your right arm to lift your left thumb towards the tip of your right shoulder while keeping the left arm fairly straight

You'll see that the right wrist can, and should, stay in the same position - 'level'

It is the right arm action that allows the left wrist to cock, while the right stays uncocked

This drill has many benefits, come back to it when learning about extensor action
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Old 09-25-2011, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by EdZ View Post

Now - without doing anything else with the hands - use your right arm to lift your left thumb towards the tip of your left shoulder while keeping the left arm fairly straight
Hey Edz how are ya man? Wouldnt that be a theoretical Left Shoulder Plane though? Gettin off topic I know but just saying.
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Old 09-25-2011, 02:06 AM
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That was a typo on my part! Should have read tip of 'right' shoulder.

I corrected my post.
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Old 09-25-2011, 01:45 PM
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If you look at the angle of dianes wrist cock you will see that it is less than 90 degrees, the extent of the wrist cock without bending the wrist is minimal, the ideal for geometry would be to not cock the right wrist but most probably do because most cock the left wrist beyond dianes. Physics and geometry neither must be perfect to play great golf
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Old 09-26-2011, 11:26 AM
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If you look at the angle of dianes wrist cock you will see that it is less than 90 degrees, the extent of the wrist cock without bending the wrist is minimal, the ideal for geometry would be to not cock the right wrist but most probably do because most cock the left wrist beyond dianes. Physics and geometry neither must be perfect to play great golf

You can have a good amount of #2 at Top without cocking the right hand.

The amount of cup in the left wrist at Top is left hand grip type dependent. It is called Flat but it is not necessarily literally flat for all but the weakest of left hand grips. Research "geometrically flat". And take a look at how when hanging naturally at your side your left forearm and hand are slightly turned , towards your mouth actually , not at a 90 to the target line .....if theres a natural or neutral amount of turn to the left hand grip thats it. This slightly turned condition will have a corresponding cup at top, assuming the plane of the left wrist cock is purely vertical in Homer speak. No horizontal left wrist motion.


And for further food for thought .......if the palm of the left hand ideally lays flat to plane at Top then the only plane angle that would see a corresponding literally flat left wrist would be one that has the entire left arm and left shoulder laying on the plane ......the theoretical Left Shoulder Plane. Which is less than ideal.

In my opinion a lot of guys in trying to create a literally flat left wrist at Top do so via ill advised horizontal left hand motion. An arching, a horizontal motion which breaks the vertical plane of the left wrist cock but gives them the literally flat left wrist they desire. And a left wrist riding a plane that points above the ball. You can compensate , correct it on the Downstroke , lots of guys do, but why bother if simplicity is a goal.

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