Unfortunately, you are wrong, Matthew. Math is necessary to verify your statement as follows:
- let's assume that an average fairway is 30 yard wide;
- let's assume that post-accident Hogan's FIR was 80% on the average and his average drive was 253 yard long;
- let's assume that Woods's FIR is 50% on the average and his average drive is 305 yard long;
Unfortunately Darruis, YOU ARE WRONG.
Ok lets just go along with these assumptions just for now even though they are heavily weighted towards your arguement.
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- in order to be on the average fairway after the driver tee shot:
a. Hogan's misses should not exceed 15 yards left or right that makes nearly 6% of allowed deviation margin (15:253=0.059);
b. Woods's misses should also not exceed 15 yards left or right that makes nearly 5% of allowed deviation margin (15:305=0.049);
c. the difference is only 1% that is much much too small a value to justify Tiger's inferior ball striking quality comparing to Hogan's.
You don't just divide the driving distance (yards) by the fairway with the half of the fairways width(yards) and expect to find anything useful. All you have found is the difference between a fifteenth of their driving distance - you could of just subtracted their driving distances together and divided by 15 and you would of come up with the same answer....an answer which isn't much use for anyone. It doesn't say much about your maths skills or those of GPStyles who seems to think your akin to Albert Einstein.
The correct differences are these.... I've omitted the sums because you won't understand them anyhow...
Woods hitting 300 yards onto a 30 yard fairway has 5.73197 degrees margin for error.
Hogan hitting 250 yards onto a 30 yard fairway has 6.87963 degrees margin for error.
So hogan at 80% FIR having to be 83.4% less accurate than Woods would only hit the fairway 66% of the time at 300 yards.
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- if Woods is the same quality of ballstriker as Hogan was, his average FIR should oscillate between 70 and 75% which is an unreachable goal for him until now;
So where you plucked this number from I do not know - perhaps you clicked your heels together three times.
The pure maths is pointless to the debate and anyhow the maths becomes more in Tigers favour when you increase the fairway from the super tight hypothetical width you set. I could think of plenty of arguements that when added up make the maths arguement sound silly. It would be like a game of Jenga but its your arguement falling after each one of these blocks (variables you have not accounted for) and you couldn't even set the game properly up to begin with because you suck at Maths.
My feeling is that Wood's golf stroke is better than Hogans... You just wanted to try and own me - You tried and you failed... Try harder next time.
I don't know . . . . I think we are severly discounting the amount the old ball spins in this analysis.
AND . . . I think Eldrick was AWESOME this week no question . . . gutz galore . . . But Hogan won his major's on two busted wheels. Tiger's pops said he was more mentally tough than any player period. I'd put Hogan up against him in a minute. Saw his pops kill himself, war, shoulda died in a wreck, and won majors when he couldn't hardly walk. Hard Case From Texas.
Tiger Woods without any doubt the best player to ever lace 'em up. And he's gotta be the best putter period. Think about the the puts he's made just this year. Obviously this week was incredible. But don't forget what he did to JB Holmes and Badds at the match play. Then we swished that eagle putt to win in Doooby or whatever that place is. He's made more feet worth of putts than it takes for Mike O to drive and find sheep he hasn't dated in California.
The apearance of this pp3 on the top of the shaft is because of the 1/4 turn the right hand specifically pp3 makes to help suppor the loading at the top, it is not manditory to rotate it back to the aft side of the shaft, it is the equivilant of a weak single action grip i bealive comming through
Originally Posted by okie
I noticed that Tiger's right hand is a little more rolled on the grip to where # 3 is not aft. Am I seeing things? What does he have to do to get the pp behind the shaft? Is that why he practices that (what looks like to me) severe start-up swivel? Els also looks to have the same grip. Does this explain the high right forearm at address? The higher the right forearm at address the more severe the startup swivel? Seems simpler to start with it closer to the plane (sweetspot plane that is)
Over good buddies
PS That was one of the best majors I have ever watched. It comes close to the first I have ever watched, the '86 Masters!
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Nowhere in the first post did I say that Hogan was better striker/driver/golfer than Tiger...
i suggested that the alignments in the photo post impact were better than Tiger.
I complemented Tiger on his incredible play this week...not trying to diss him...
The thread was about alignments...
Unfortunately, the #1 thread jacker of all-time - hands down- has entered this thread (12 piece bucket for you rookie forum members) and you have become another victim. Unite with me bulldog on banning this disease from the forum!
In the meantime I'm off to North Carolina and give this thread jacker a lesson!
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Unfortunately, the #1 thread jacker of all-time - hands down- has entered this thread (12 piece bucket for you rookie forum members) and you have become another victim. Unite with me bulldog on banning this disease from the forum!
In the meantime I'm off to North Carolina and give this thread jacker a lesson!
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Ok lets just go along with these assumptions just for now even though they are heavily weighted towards your arguement.
You don't just divide the driving distance (yards) by the fairway with the half of the fairways width(yards) and expect to find anything useful. All you have found is the difference between a fifteenth of their driving distance - you could of just subtracted their driving distances together and divided by 15 and you would of come up with the same answer....an answer which isn't much use for anyone. It doesn't say much about your maths skills or those of GPStyles who seems to think your akin to Albert Einstein.
The correct differences are these.... I've omitted the sums because you won't understand them anyhow...
Woods hitting 300 yards onto a 30 yard fairway has 5.73197 degrees margin for error.
Hogan hitting 250 yards onto a 30 yard fairway has 6.87963 degrees margin for error.
So hogan at 80% FIR having to be 83.4% less accurate than Woods would only hit the fairway 66% of the time at 300 yards.
So where you plucked this number from I do not know - perhaps you clicked your heels together three times.
The pure maths is pointless to the debate and anyhow the maths becomes more in Tigers favour when you increase the fairway from the super tight hypothetical width you set. I could think of plenty of arguements that when added up make the maths arguement sound silly. It would be like a game of Jenga but its your arguement falling after each one of these blocks (variables you have not accounted for) and you couldn't even set the game properly up to begin with because you suck at Maths.
My feeling is that Wood's golf stroke is better than Hogans... You just wanted to try and own me - You tried and you failed... Try harder next time.
Should I wait for you to edit your post two or three times more or can I comment it now ?
Listen, mate - I just done a very simple math to show you that the 50 yds distance that differs Hogan from Woods cannot in any case justify the difference in hitting fairways ability between the two. It was done "on the knee" without trying to going deeper because I did not want to jack the thread more. If you regard my math as useless and my math ability as pathetic - I am fine with it and I can even gladly agree with it since I am not a mathematician and, if you noticed, was kindly asking for a correction from your part in case I was wrong.
But, when somebody as yourself write a sentence like this: I've omitted the sums because you won't understand them anyhow... or you couldn't even set the game properly up to begin with because you suck at Maths it shows only what small caliber and arrogant person you are. Keep your math for yourself then, I am not interested to see it any more (and I honestly was interested until now, since I always like to learn). Save it as well as your pathetic ad hominemremarks to your friends, if you have any.
While I don't agree with Matthew's approach all the time, I must agree with the basis of his argument. The farther you hit the ball, the easier it is to hit it offline. Think about it this way; if you draw a 35 degree liine from a point on the tee out into the fairway, then the farther you go along that line, the farther offline you'll be. If Hogan were to hit it on a particular line and land on the right edge of the fairway, and Tiger hit the exact same line, but fifty yards further, he would be a decent distance into the rough, correct? My point is that the farther the ball travels, the more online it needs to be in order to stay in the fairway.
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