The line in 6-b-3-0-1;
" AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE."
Seems. applicable to angled hinging-BUT- not horizontal or vertical(the dual hinges)
if, what is meant by LEFT ARM PLANE is the plane of entire primary lever assembly.
#3 remains on the plane and traces the line. The left arm wedge is perpendicular to the plane continuously for angled hinge only. And #3 roll on the shaft because the clubface and clubshaft are independant for horizontal and vertical hinging ??
The line in 6-b-3-0-1;
" AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE."
Seems. applicable to angled hinging-BUT- not horizontal or vertical(the dual hinges)
if, what is meant by LEFT ARM PLANE is the plane of entire primary lever assembly.
#3 remains on the plane and traces the line. The left arm wedge is perpendicular to the plane continuously for angled hinge only. And #3 roll on the shaft because the clubface and clubshaft are independant for horizontal and vertical hinging ??
hb
Hey Bear.
You're touching on a really interesting subject for me. Maybe you should start a new thread as this topic could bring about some heathy debate, unless it relates to the discussion at hand somehow. Uh not sure what the heck that was but ... ? I think i got things off course a while back there all by myself. Poor little old thread jacker me. Somethin about Tiger maybe? I dunno.
Heres my take on the matter: The Plane of the Right ARm Flying wedge is the Plane of the Right Wrist Bend . Its relationship to the Inclined Plane is constantly changing. It lays flat to the Inclined Plane only at Fix and Impact , the rest of he time it is under the Inclined Plane (before impact) or over top of the Inclined Plane (after Impact). This holds despite the fact that the #3 Pressure Point Traces the Plane LIne prior to and after Impact!
I believe you can maintain the 90 degree relationship of the wedges to each other and Trace with the #3pp and execute any Hinge Action.
The line in 6-b-3-0-1;
" AT RIGHT ANGLES TO THE LEFT ARM PLANE."
Seems. applicable to angled hinging-BUT- not horizontal or vertical(the dual hinges)
if, what is meant by LEFT ARM PLANE is the plane of entire primary lever assembly.
Comment: #3 remains on the plane and traces the line.
Response: Always On-Plane. They Trace different Lines. With Throw-Out, The #3 PP Traces the Arc of Approach (or Plane Line because the Pulley is On-Plane) the Clubhead also Traces the Plane Line. With Drive-Out, the #3 PP Traces the Angle of Approach (the Angle of Approach is On-Plane but the Pulley is Vertical to the Ground) while the Clubhead "Covers" the Plane Line.
Comment: The left arm wedge is perpendicular to the plane continuously for angled hinge only.
Response: Only At Impact. The Shaft is ALWAYS On-Plane for Every Stroke. During Angled Hinging, the Clubface is Vertical to the Ground Throughout the Stroke.
Comment: And #3 roll on the shaft because the clubface and clubshaft are independant for horizontal and vertical hinging ??
Response: The Clubface and Clubhead are always independent for Dual Hinges. One Hinge Pin for the Clubface and the other for the Clubhead (or) one for the Left Arm Wedge and one for the Right Forearm Wedge (or) if you need simplification (like Bucket, O.B and Mike O) then simply "Left Wrist" and "Right Hand" - "Clubface + Clubhead".
hb
During Impact, for All Hinge Actions, The Plane of the Left Arm Wedge is Perpendicular to the Swing Plane and the Right Forearm Wedge is On-Plane. The Planes are at Right Angles to each other. + The Left Arm Wedge is Perpendicular to the Base Line of the Inclined Plane at Impact, 90 degrees.
This goes to some fundamental alignments. Some think about trying to create the 10-2-B grip however this is not the right approach. HK said that other grips "destroy the Wedges" but the reality is that the Wedges are never aligned when you take just any Grip. The better approach is to create the Wedges and align them at 90 degrees, and then Grip the Club. Impact Fix is your Only opportunity to Align The Wedges. So, all Strokes must begin with these Alignments at Impact Fix.
If you're on the first Tee and a guy is aligning His Right Forearm Wedge and Grip at Impact Fix and then he applies his Left Hand; don't bet him money ( unless his name is 12 Pc Bucket, then bet the limit).
During Impact, for All Hinge Actions, The Plane of the Left Arm Wedge is Perpendicular to the Swing Plane and the Right Forearm Wedge is On-Plane. The Planes are at Right Angles to each other. + The Left Arm Wedge is Perpendicular to the Base Line of the Inclined Plane at Impact, 90 degrees.
This goes to some fundamental alignments. Some think about trying to create the 10-2-B grip however this is not the right approach. HK said that other grips "destroy the Wedges" but the reality is that the Wedges are never aligned when you take just any Grip. The better approach is to create the Wedges and align them at 90 degrees, and then Grip the Club. Impact Fix is your Only opportunity to Align The Wedges. So, all Strokes must begin with these Alignments at Impact Fix.
If you're on the first Tee and a guy is aligning His Right Forearm Wedge and Grip at Impact Fix and then he applies his Left Hand; don't bet him money ( unless his name is 12 Pc Bucket, then bet the limit).
Interesting on the above....please explain....can you do pics? Always bet the house against a cat with greasy palms.
Interesting on the above....please explain....can you do pics? Always bet the house against a cat with greasy palms.
Explained: The Left Arm Wedge is Vertical at Impact. The Right Forearm Wedge is On-Plane. The Plane Line is the Base Line of the Inclined Plane. The Left Arm Wedge at Impact, is 90 degrees to the Base Line of the Inclined Plane.
The 90 degree Alignment of the Wedges should exist from the end of Start-up to the End of Follow-through.
Explained: The Left Arm Wedge is Vertical at Impact. The Right Forearm Wedge is On-Plane. The Plane Line is the Base Line of the Inclined Plane. The Left Arm Wedge at Impact, is 90 degrees to the Base Line of the Inclined Plane.
The 90 degree Alignment of the Wedges should exist from the end of Start-up to the End of Follow-through.
D, assuming startup from Fix and Horizontal Hinging when does the Plane of the Right ARm Flying Wedge leave its flat to the Inclined Plane condition? Id say immediately . How 'bout you?
D, assuming startup from Fix and Horizontal Hinging when does the Plane of the Right ARm Flying Wedge leave its flat to the Inclined Plane condition? Id say immediately . How 'bout you?
I agree.
This condition exists from the end of Start-up until Release. During Release, the Right Forearm seeks it's Angle of Approach for Impact thereby rotating the Wedges. The Right Forearm will rotate the Left Arm Wedge to Vertical for Impact. The Left Arm Plane and Right Forearm Flying Wedge travel back and forth On-Plane while aligned to the Plane of the Right Wrist Bend.
The reason that the Left Arm Wedge returns to Vertical for Impact is because the Wedges were aligned at 90 degrees at Impact Fix. If you want to align them at 75 degrees or 120 degrees, then you can easily do so. But, the Target Line is set at 90 degrees to Low Point. So, the Wedges at 90 degrees will agree with the Target Line. When the "True Swinger" moves the Ball Aft he is actually Aligning the Wedges to something other than 90 degrees because he set the Wedges to 90 degrees at "Impact Fix - Low Point".
You don't need to set the Wedges at 90 degrees at Low-point if you want to play the Ball 3 inches Aft. You can set the Wedges at 90 degrees 3 inches Aft if you prefer. That is simply, "Rotating the Grip".
All of this helps explain how "Centrifugal Force" aligns the Clubface for Impact. Using the Right Forearm Angle of Approach, Centrifugal Force will ALWAYS return the Clubface to your Impact Fix Alignments.
The problem I'm having is that no one seems to understand the Right Forearm Angle of Approach.
The Left Arm Plane and Right Forearm Flying Wedge travel back and forth On-Plane while aligned to the Plane of the Right Wrist Bend.
When you say "On-Plane" are you saying the RFFW 's Plane travels back and forth on the Inclined Plane ? Maybe for Angled Hinging, but otherwise I don't see that.
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The problem I'm having is that no one seems to understand the Right Forearm Angle of Approach.
OK lay it on us.
I see the Right Forearm Tracing , pointing at , the Delivery Line (of the Hands) while the #3pp traces the Plane Line. The Plane of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge rotating around the LCOG....... to a degree consistent with the Hinge Action employed when travelling through the impact area.
The Right Forearm Flying Wedge aligned to the aft of the Handle , well the aft of the direction the club head is travelling through impact. Grip Rotation determining the club face alignment relative to the Delivery Path of the club head.
When you say "On-Plane" are you saying the RFFW 's Plane travels back and forth on the Inclined Plane ? Maybe for Angled Hinging, but otherwise I don't see that.
The #3 PP and the Center of Gravity of the Clubhead Travel the Swing Plane for both Hitters and Swingers. The Left Arm Wedge and Right Forearm Wedge are Aligned on the Plane of the Right Wrist Bend. They "Saddle" the Swing Plane. The Right Wrist Bend varies so then, likewise, the Wedges Alignment to the Swing Plane will vary.
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
OK lay it on us.
I wish I could. If you knew about it, then you'd be playing on the "Hooters" Tour. That's why I'm doing the video. "Right Forearm Participation in the Golf Swing: per TGM"
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
I see the Right Forearm Tracing , pointing at , the Delivery Line (of the Hands) while the #3pp traces the Plane Line.
The Right Forearm can Trace the Plane line when it's On-Plane. The Right Forearm can be On-Plane when the Right Elbow is On-Plane.
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
The Plane of the Right Forearm Flying Wedge rotating around the LCOG....... to a degree consistent with the Hinge Action employed when travelling through the impact area.
Oh? Actually, the Right Forearm doesn't rotate around the LCOG. It Rotates around the Hinge.
When you throw a Javelin, you don't rotate around the LCOG. When you skip a stone on the surface of water, you don't rotate the LCOG. If you do, then the stone dives into the water and the Javelin impels a spectator. Both Throwing a Javelin and Skipping a Stone use Right Forearm Wedge Geometry. And with both activities, the Right Forearm Wedge Rotates around the Right Elbow. By the way, if you did rotate around the LCOG, you would be Swiveling. The Golf Shaft Rotates around the LCOG but not the Wedges.
You could make the argument that the LCOG and Wedges rotate together around the Hinge, but then I would point out to you that the Rotation is another one of Golf's illusions.
I know how difficult this stuff is to understand. Not for you so much but for almost everyone else. The things I say must sound like gibberish or at least as incoherent as 12 Pc Bucket after a weekend binge hugging the "Still". I'm not crazy like Mike O.
I can assure everyone that concepts in TGM are easy to understand.
I wish I could. If you knew about it, then you'd be playing on the "Hooters" Tour. That's why I'm doing the video. "Right Forearm Participation in the Golf Swing: per TGM"
Im not on the Hooters tour? When did that happen? [/quote]
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The Right Forearm can Trace the Plane line when it's On-Plane. The Right Forearm can be On-Plane when the Right Elbow is On-Plane.
Yes agreed. This is a good point ...... Trace with the #3pp only.
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Oh? Actually, the Right Forearm doesn't rotate around the LCOG. It Rotates around the Hinge.
When you throw a Javelin, you don't rotate around the LCOG. When you skip a stone on the surface of water, you don't rotate the LCOG. If you do, then the stone dives into the water and the Javelin impels a spectator. Both Throwing a Javelin and Skipping a Stone use Right Forearm Wedge Geometry. And with both activities, the Right Forearm Wedge Rotates around the Right Elbow. By the way, if you did rotate around the LCOG, you would be Swiveling. The Golf Shaft Rotates around the LCOG but not the Wedges.
If the Plane of the respective Wedges maintain a constant relationship to each other (90 degrees say) and to the club shaft (top and aft) and the shaft rotates around the LCOG wouldn't the wedges rotate also? In other words don't the wedges rotate with Hinge Action as well as swivel action?
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I can assure everyone that concepts in TGM are easy to understand.
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