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Old 12-21-2011, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Are you sure you meant to say simultaneous?

Totally agree with the last bit .....gotta be aligned at your Release Point in a manner consistent with what you are going to fire and have it all pointed in the right direction. Lynns wooden golfers flail is the perfect tool to highlight the different options. It rules out horizontal left hand motion , guarantying Rhythm .
naw...mean SIMULTANEOUS...makes complete sense to me...you AIN'T GOT TIME NO MORE TO SEQUENCE...they both gotta go and FAST to get the sweetspot to the ball....I'll find the reference for you....
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Old 12-21-2011, 07:18 AM
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Isn't it just rolling PA3 from there?
Not in my mind....still gotta get #1 in there too....it hasn't dumped yet...so either dump it or tilt backwards......ala Bently J Doyle.....
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Old 12-21-2011, 12:53 PM
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Interesting stuff MJ .

Is this also true in terms of club head speed in general as opposed just to the clubhead speed derived from #2? If so I didn't know that! What about max radius vs less than ? The swinger not being subject to the slowing effect etc ? Although I never did wrap my head around that one.

Homer I believe stated that the club head slowed post low point but slowing prior to impact would be new I think. Or do you mean a slowing in the rate of acceleration as opposed to a general slowing down?
That's an interesting question - I was talking about #2 only, and I believe that's what Cochran & Stobbs and/or Jorgensen was talking about. My hunch is that #4(pivot power) and roll power(fastest move in golf) can overcome the slowing, which would explain HK's statement. I would think Swing Vision technology could answer that question very easily.
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Old 12-21-2011, 01:10 PM
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Not in my mind....still gotta get #1 in there too....it hasn't dumped yet...so either dump it or tilt backwards......ala Bently J Doyle.....
One solution is a very strong grip and #4/#2 two barrel snap nail hammering!
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Old 12-21-2011, 03:04 PM
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One solution is a very strong grip and #4/#2 two barrel snap nail hammering!
that i can understand...two ways to do that one...Lee Buck/Duval vs. Freddie/Bobby Jonez....don't get the Eldrick method.
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Old 12-21-2011, 05:43 PM
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naw...mean SIMULTANEOUS...makes complete sense to me...you AIN'T GOT TIME NO MORE TO SEQUENCE...they both gotta go and FAST to get the sweetspot to the ball....I'll find the reference for you....
Ok Id like to see that. Cause I got things figured out the other way round currently. From Snap its easier, faster to uncork #2 down plane with the left hand flat to plane and then roll at the bottom. Sequenced. The "fastest in golf" being the roll. You know, "like a little bat".


I always associated snap more with swingers traditionally .....and their deep right elbow pulling rather than pushing .
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Old 12-21-2011, 06:35 PM
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Ok Id like to see that. Cause I got things figured out the other way round currently. From Snap its easier, faster to uncork #2 down plane with the left hand flat to plane and then roll at the bottom. Sequenced. The "fastest in golf" being the roll. You know, "like a little bat".
There is a healthy amount of overlap in a sequenced release. You have to start rolling well before impact(at which point the left wrist is level). Since there is still an angle well less than 180 degs between the left forearm and shaft when the left wrist is level with any normal grip, and even less still at the point that the roll starts, you're rolling a big bat(the whole club), not a little one(the clubhead).
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Old 12-21-2011, 09:32 PM
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There is a healthy amount of overlap in a sequenced release. You have to start rolling well before impact(at which point the left wrist is level). Since there is still an angle well less than 180 degs between the left forearm and shaft when the left wrist is level with any normal grip, and even less still at the point that the roll starts, you're rolling a big bat(the whole club), not a little one(the clubhead).
Exactly what I'm about to post. Full sweep release. Only a very few strong individuals can afford to wait and release pa3 late. I think this is the reason many dismiss outright a mainly pa3-based release. It's too damn hard. That's why you gotta start releasing pa3 ASAP. From transition.

Here's what I think, you experts please help me out and comment please:

1. Your left wrist, at level status, has acute pa3 angle, the most your butt palm pad and index finger can handle. You obtain this at setup. 90 degrees is ideal.

2. Left wrist must be level from top to impact to maintain the pa3 angle.

3. You start to release the pa3 accumulator right after start down. Almost simultaneous. (I start down with lower body, I.e., hips). Why? An acute pa3 angle is too damn hard to release. Immeasurably hard. So you start ASAP.

4. Pa2 is released automatically. It should be given no thought at all. The left wrist pa2 travel for fully c0cked to level is so short anyway, it's immaterial. In fact, if you release pa2 intentionally, the momentum it generates is so hard, that if you do it your left wrist will unc0ck more than level, which in turn will render pa3 release impossible.

5. Why pa3 based release with acute pa3 angle? Accuracy. With distance. Accuracy AND distance. Gotta be strong though. And by the way, you can add pa1 without any negative consequence at all; only one requirement, bent right wrist at impact as required by the pa3 angle.

I'd like to believe this is what Tiger is doing. It is what Tiger is doing. It won't hit the ground because of his pa3 angle. Damn I'm hardheaded.

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Old 12-21-2011, 10:15 PM
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There is a healthy amount of overlap in a sequenced release. You have to start rolling well before impact(at which point the left wrist is level). Since there is still an angle well less than 180 degs between the left forearm and shaft when the left wrist is level with any normal grip, and even less still at the point that the roll starts, you're rolling a big bat(the whole club), not a little one(the clubhead).
Makes sense to me: Sequenced, Simultaneous and all points in between being Overlapped to varying degrees. But re the latter : #2 fires prior to #3. Uncock then Roll.

"Delivery Line Uncocking Prep" then "Delivery Line Roll Prep" with special emphasis on the Roll . You can really feel them both and which one fires first. The Swingers Flail.... thank you Homer and Lynn Blake. Knowing your Trigger , your Throw is the answer to downswing black out.

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Old 12-22-2011, 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Makes sense to me: Sequenced, Simultaneous and all points in between being Overlapped to varying degrees. But re the latter : #2 fires prior to #3. Uncock then Roll.

"Delivery Line Uncocking Prep" then "Delivery Line Roll Prep" with special emphasis on the Roll . You can really feel them both and which one fires first. The Swingers Flail.... thank you Homer and Lynn Blake. Knowing your Trigger , your Throw is the answer to downswing black out.
OB, why would you want to fire pa2 prior to start releasing pa3? Why do you want to lose the lag early? Why not full release of pa3 from start down, with pa2 automatically firing at release phase? This way you maximize accuracy, and have essentially same power?
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