Scott is a lifelong diabetic and can't generate a lot of horsepower. He's not a healthy man and tires easily. Maybe the snap release pattern is the most efficient and is why he could earn over $1.75 million last yr and over $800K so far this yr? Maybe that's why Ben teaches it?
But weren't y'all the cats that said that the snap release equated to distance? My contention that what Ben and Verplank are doing is NOT SNAP . . . as far as the diabetic deal . . . I know about that . . . but my counter point would be Hogan basically couldn't walk and his swing looks way more dynamic than Ben and Verplank rolled up together . . . They are not releasing the club at least that would be my observation of the pictures . . . both of them get really pitchy and tilt back behind it and their pivots stall? That's what I see . . . but I don't have $1.75 million. I'm not saying that you'd teach Verplank out of it . . . that'd be kinda like teaching Jamaal Wilks not to do that whacky thing with his jump shot. But by tour standards Verplank is a tapper. But of course he is rich. So if you wanna say this Doyle version of the "snap" release is a get rich swing fine . . . but I don't think it's the model for hittin' the long ball. Don't look like Verplank or Ben are bringing the full radius to bear on the ball to me.
In my dookey ball rat poisoned mind the full radius is brought to bear by fully extending the primary lever and extending all the pivot components from the ground up FORWARD not backwards . . . knees, hips, spine, chest accumulators . . .
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 08-03-2011 at 08:41 PM.
That is a very good observation.
Having a snap release does not guarantee that one will become a big hitter - it just maximizes mechanical advantage. There are other factors in play like hand speed and pivot speed - contrast Scott Verplank's swing to say Sergio Garcia's and Bobby Schaeffer's which have a more "whiplash" effect.
I can agree with this . . . Garcia and from what I know of that Schaeffer dude's swing are certainly SLINGING the golf club . . . I contend that Ben and Verplank are not.
But weren't y'all the cats that said that the snap release equated to distance? My contention that what Ben and Verplank are doing is NOT SNAP . . . as far as the diabetic deal . . . I know about that . . . but my counter point would be Hogan basically couldn't walk and his swing looks way more dynamic than Ben and Verplank rolled up together . . . They are not releasing the club at least that would be my observation of the pictures . . . both of them get really pitchy and tilt back behind it and their pivots stall? That's what I see . . . but I don't have $1.75 million. I'm not saying that you'd teach Verplank out of it . . . that'd be kinda like teaching Jamaal Wilks not to do that whacky thing with his jump shot. But by tour standards Verplank is a tapper. But of course he is rich. So if you wanna say this Doyle version of the "snap" release is a get rich swing fine . . . but I don't think it's the model for hittin' the long ball. Don't look like Verplank or Ben are bringing the full radius to bear on the ball to me.
In my dookey ball rat poisoned mind the full radius is brought to bear by fully extending the primary lever and extending all the pivot components from the ground up FORWARD not backwards . . . knees, hips, spine, chest accumulators . . .
Was it mentioned on the link that the snap was the route to distance? A better statement would be a high percentage of snappers are long hitters. Also, is Ben's swing really a get rich swing?
Thanks for the offer - I'm afraid we've hijacked your thread.
Back on topic - check this video out
I never would have guessed he was a deep pitch snap releaser. Just look at those positions starting at :35 with his elbow past the right hip and leading the hands with the shaft well above horizontal, at :37 with his hands ahead of the ball(line of sight) and the shaft just a little below horizontal, and then impact at :39 with perfect alignments. What great camera work catching those 3 critical positions. This is about as good as it gets!
WOW MizunoJoe!
One of my favorite players, I had no idea how much he moved back, but as you mentioned, beautiful alignments at impact. Just goes to show there are many ways to effectively swing the club...
I wonder why some great teachers of TGM include the Essentials as part of their teaching bible, while others treat them much like the optional components??? We all seem to agree on the Imperatives.
On a side note, I was fortunate to attend a little clinic with Bobby Clampett the other night. I was very impressed with both he and his ball striking. I would say his move is somewhere between stationary head and Mr, Verplank. He talked quite a bit about Mr. Doyle and his influence. Great stuff!
It really does come down to impact alignments...
Kevin
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One of my favorite players, I had no idea how much he moved back, but as you mentioned, beautiful alignments at impact. Just goes to show there are many ways to effectively swing the club...
I wonder why some great teachers of TGM include the Essentials as part of their teaching bible, while others treat them much like the optional components??? We all seem to agree on the Imperatives.
On a side note, I was fortunate to attend a little clinic with Bobby Clampett the other night. I was very impressed with both he and his ball striking. I would say his move is somewhere between stationary head and Mr, Verplank. He talked quite a bit about Mr. Doyle and his influence. Great stuff!
It really does come down to impact alignments...
Kevin
Kev . . . if you was gonna push a refrigerator . . . would you move your head back away from it while you were pushing it?
Kev . . . if you was gonna push a refrigerator . . . would you move your head back away from it while you were pushing it?
LOL. I teach and use LBG exclusively. Stationary Pivot, MacDonald Exercises, RFT, Aiming Point, Imperatives and Essentials. YODA's swing is my model. Preaching to the choir.
However, I'm smart enough to know Mr. Doyle can teach circles around me, and Verplank could give me 4 a side and throttle me. Lot's of ways to play if you believe in it.
I believe in the stationary pivot. I have proven it to be the most effective for my swing, and it is how I help my students improve the fastest. I'm comfortable enough in my techniques, all learned here, that I can focus on the positives without having to dismiss what others do. Live and let live!
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LOL. I teach and use LBG exclusively. Stationary Pivot, MacDonald Exercises, RFT, Aiming Point, Imperatives and Essentials. YODA's swing is my model. Preaching to the choir.
However, I'm smart enough to know Mr. Doyle can teach circles around me, and Verplank could give me 4 a side and throttle me. Lot's of ways to play if you believe in it.
I believe in the stationary pivot. I have proven it to be the most effective for my swing, and it is how I help my students improve the fastest. I'm comfortable enough in my techniques, all learned here, that I can focus on the positives without having to dismiss what others do. Live and let live!
Kevin
I'm with you HOWEVER . . . I'll say this . . . people have assumed that the snap release is somehow "superior" . . . and that it goes farther . . . I ain't buying it. At least not this version of it . . . Plus lots of people equate everything that Doyle teaches as THE representation of the Machine. We all know that just ain't so . . . We got Chapter 10 . . . components gotta fit together.
Then Verplank's stroke gets trotted out as a model for the Snap after all this discussion of a smaller wheel is gonna "out-drive all your playing partners" post 37 . . . Verplank don't seem to be out-driving many of his partners unless he's paired with the bottom 3 every time . . . Sticking your head over your right foot and moving backward and having a sexy angle don't equate to far . . . but he's got diabetes . . . so I got a bogus argument . . just sayin'.
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Last edited by 12 piece bucket : 08-04-2011 at 01:22 PM.
That is a very good observation.
Having a snap release does not guarantee that one will become a big hitter - it just maximizes mechanical advantage. There are other factors in play like hand speed and pivot speed - contrast Scott Verplank's swing to say Sergio Garcia's and Bobby Schaeffer's which have a more "whiplash" effect.
Exactly - Young Schaeffer had more hand speed, pivot speed, and suppleness than Verplank, and unreal lag - at 1:41 his hands are almost mid-body and the shaft is curved upwards, well above horizontal. This all gives a more dynamic look(whiplash) and more power. Scott simply doesn't have the physical equipment to do this, so he maximizes his clubhead speed by playing his hole card, the late release.
I've read that Bobby has snapped ultra-stiff XXX shafts!
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