Is Right Arm Thrust a SLOW motion?

[Par71]

I am a Swinger. But I want to learn how to hit.

Unfortunately, I find that not at all easy to do.

When I am Swinging, I have a nice Pivot, my mind is in my Hands and my Pivot does all the work (as Ben Doyle likes to say). Beautiful.

But when I am trying to hit, a voice inside me says: "Hit the ball hard with your right arm." When I listen to that voice, my mind is no longer in my Hands. It is in my Right Arm. My Right Arm moves fast, even violently. And my Pivot on the Downstroke is poor. The stroke feels somewhat powerful, I guess, very Right Arm. Like a lot of hard work. It does not feel controlled. Awful.

Now, 10-19-A says that for Drive Loading you should have a slow Startdown and that Clubhead Throwaway with Drive Loading is usually due to over-acceleration.

When I try to thrust my Right Arm in a SLOW, deliberate manner (consciously trying not to exceed the RPM of the Pivot), I can have my mind in my hands again and I am able to perform a nice Pivot even with Drive Loading. But that stroke does not feel powerful to me. I does not feel like "firing" the Right Arm at the ball. It is more like a heavy, steady force. The clubhead moving through space does not WHOOSH. The clubhead moves in complete silence to Impact. No noise that I would associate with velocity.

Is this how Hitting is supposed to be? A slow, deliberate right arm thrust (even through Impact) with a silent clubhead?

And where does the Power in Hitting come from? The Pivot? Or the Right Arm?

[tim chapman]

I am a Swinger. But I want to learn how to hit.

Unfortunately, I find that not at all easy to do.

When I am Swinging, I have a nice Pivot, my mind is in my Hands and my Pivot does all the work (as Ben Doyle likes to say). Beautiful.

But when I am trying to hit, a voice inside me says: "Hit the ball hard with your right arm." When I listen to that voice, my mind is no longer in my Hands. It is in my Right Arm. My Right Arm moves fast, even violently. And my Pivot on the Downstroke is poor. The stroke feels somewhat powerful, I guess, very Right Arm. Like a lot of hard work. It does not feel controlled. Awful.

Now, 10-19-A says that for Drive Loading you should have a slow Startdown and that Clubhead Throwaway with Drive Loading is usually due to over-acceleration.

When I try to thrust my Right Arm in a SLOW, deliberate manner (consciously trying not to exceed the RPM of the Pivot), I can have my mind in my hands again and I am able to perform a nice Pivot even with Drive Loading. But that stroke does not feel powerful to me. I does not feel like "firing" the Right Arm at the ball. It is more like a heavy, steady force. The clubhead moving through space does not WHOOSH. The clubhead moves in complete silence to Impact. No noise that I would associate with velocity.

Is this how Hitting is supposed to be? A slow, deliberate right arm thrust (even through Impact) with a silent clubhead?

And where does the Power in Hitting come from? The Pivot? Or the Right Arm?

might the problem be coming from thrusting too soon ? might you be running out of right arm before impact & losing the lag pressure in pp3 ?

[innercityteacher]

I am a Swinger. But I want to learn how to hit.

Unfortunately, I find that not at all easy to do.

When I am Swinging, I have a nice Pivot, my mind is in my Hands and my Pivot does all the work (as Ben Doyle likes to say). Beautiful.

But when I am trying to hit, a voice inside me says: "Hit the ball hard with your right arm." When I listen to that voice, my mind is no longer in my Hands. It is in my Right Arm. My Right Arm moves fast, even violently. And my Pivot on the Downstroke is poor. The stroke feels somewhat powerful, I guess, very Right Arm. Like a lot of hard work. It does not feel controlled. Awful.

Now, 10-19-A says that for Drive Loading you should have a slow Startdown and that Clubhead Throwaway with Drive Loading is usually due to over-acceleration.

When I try to thrust my Right Arm in a SLOW, deliberate manner (consciously trying not to exceed the RPM of the Pivot), I can have my mind in my hands again and I am able to perform a nice Pivot even with Drive Loading. But that stroke does not feel powerful to me. I does not feel like "firing" the Right Arm at the ball. It is more like a heavy, steady force. The clubhead moving through space does not WHOOSH. The clubhead moves in complete silence to Impact. No noise that I would associate with velocity.

Is this how Hitting is supposed to be? A slow, deliberate right arm thrust (even through Impact) with a silent clubhead?

And where does the Power in Hitting come from? The Pivot? Or the Right Arm?

Hitters need to establish a Stationary Head at Impact Fix and leave the head there. And, Hitters (based on watching Lynn's many videos) set up Hula -Left (weight on the left side), Right Forearm Takeaway with Extensor Action keeps the Power Package united while the head is stationary.

Slowly tilt your axis back to trigger the Hit. Try not moving your arms and hands and leading with your tilt. There must be a distance between your Tilt and Hands for a Lag to be created then maintained.

And I just learned this stuff this week so if I'm wrong, remember, I am not Lynn, nor Daryl, or OB, or an admin nor a pro contributor.


Here is a great video!

ICT

[Yoda]

. . . so if I'm wrong, remember, I am not Lynn, nor Daryl, or OB, or an admin nor a pro contributor.

But . . .

Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

[innercityteacher]

But . . .

Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

KevCarter is a humble guy and a good PGA teaching Pro. He reserves the right to be wrong. I like that example.

ICT

[Yoda]

KevCarter is a humble guy and a good PGA teaching Pro. He reserves the right to be wrong. I like that example.

ICT

Hope you didn't take my post personally, ICT. I was picking up on the tone -- "less than expert" -- of your own.



All of us start golf as a beginner. Most of us remain a beginner. We decide -- consciously or otherwise -- that "Hey, this is not for me" and walk away. Wonderful! Carpe diem and best of luck on your new adventures.



Others hang around and just "have fun". That's the purpose, right? After all, golf ain't "world peace"! Those who can keep it on that level -- little effort, little result, lots of fun -- enjoy a pleasant recreational experience. (At least so I'm told. )



And then there's the rest of us.

[innercityteacher]

Hope you didn't take my post personally, ICT. I was picking up on the tone -- "less than expert" -- of your own.


All of us start golf as a beginner. Most of us remain a beginner. We decide -- consciously or otherwise -- that "Hey, this is not for me" and walk away. Wonderful! Carpe diem and best of luck on your new adventures.

Others hang around and just "have fun". That's the purpose, right? After all, golf ain't "world peace"! Those who can keep it on that level -- little effort, little result, lots of fun -- enjoy a pleasant recreational experience. (At least so I'm told. )

And then there's the rest of us.

Lynn, I was pleased that there were no glaring mistakes pointed out by my superiors. As for my lowly status, better to be a gatekeeper in the Kingdom than seated at the first table in the bad place. The old Renaissance formula for something of value was "light and heat" meaning instruction with amiable feelings. That's my goal. Like you, I am mystified when people slam HK or another instructor rather than deal with what they actually taught or wrote or at least ask questions.

If I was afraid of being publicly corrected on any subject, I would not wander out in public. That also confuses me about HK's critics. They want to play in the middle of a busy street and not get interrupted by heavy traffic, or they then get upset.

They are over-indulged children.


ICT

[Par71]

Tim, ICT,

Thanks for your ideas. I will try what you suggested.

I have watched Lynn's video many times, but I do not really see his weight on the left side on the backstroke.

I guess the trouble I am having with hitting stems from the (maybe mistaken) belief that you somehow need to make up for the missing centrifugal force by speeding up the right arm. On the other hand, you still need rhythm. So the right arm must not "overtake" the RPM of the pivot, right?

What do you guys think of this sound issue I mentioned? Do you feel that the clubhead makes more noise with swinging than with hitting?

[tim chapman]

Tim, ICT,

Thanks for your ideas. I will try what you suggested.

I have watched Lynn's video many times, but I do not really see his weight on the left side on the backstroke.

I guess the trouble I am having with hitting stems from the (maybe mistaken) belief that you somehow need to make up for the missing centrifugal force by speeding up the right arm. On the other hand, you still need rhythm. So the right arm must not "overtake" the RPM of the pivot, right?

What do you guys think of this sound issue I mentioned? Do you feel that the clubhead makes more noise with swinging than with hitting?

hey Par, first up... you know i'm no authority don't you ? just trying to find my way like you & only been at LBG a few short months.
my thoughts fwiw ref the sound..... with hitting we are usually employing an angle hinge rather than a horizontal one so that may account for some reduction in the swish sound but Lynn demonstrates hitting & swinging in the video section as equally effective & all the ball knows is clubhead speed & compression (right ?) so a good hit stroke has to be producing similar clubhead speed to a good swing stroke.
so if the above is correct, i guess that leaves us with learning how to thrust the power package so that it generates as much clubhead speed as when we swing it.
i think most of us start golf swinging the arms, so it is natural that it might take quite a bit of learning & to become decent at hitting. there is obviously power to be had from that punch motion in hitting if we think of boxers generating the huge power they do or those martial arts guys who punch bricks etc.
interested to hear how you get on

[innercityteacher]

Tim, ICT,

Thanks for your ideas. I will try what you suggested.

I have watched Lynn's video many times, but I do not really see his weight on the left side on the backstroke.

I guess the trouble I am having with hitting stems from the (maybe mistaken) belief that you somehow need to make up for the missing centrifugal force by speeding up the right arm. On the other hand, you still need rhythm. So the right arm must not "overtake" the RPM of the pivot, right?

What do you guys think of this sound issue I mentioned? Do you feel that the clubhead makes more noise with swinging than with hitting?

All strokes, sir, are to be heavy and deliberate (except in Swinging and even then just a little quicker). Extensor Action gives the stroke it's heaviness, while the Axis Tilt starts the Hit down the Plane. Then, I believe you extend your right arm or elbow where the right forearm's alignment was set at Impact Fix and through following to Both Arms Straight and then the Finish Swivel. You aim your forearm and fire it being very careful to fire the arm/elbow and not the Bent Right Wrist. Keep it bent until you get to finish by the instrumentality of the Finish (not Dutch) Swivel!

You must let your Pivot work from the top though, or you will not create the necessary LAG in time and space to turn your club face into a wrecking ball. You are creating sort of a two stage rocket with Pivot being stage one and then, once you feel the LAG on your # 3 PP, you fire it into the track established by Impact Fix.

If you do this well, you will have more friends and be popular. Some people in PA, GA, MN, IL, and New England will welcome you around their campfire on a cold, dark night. You will here a rifle shot sort of impact sound. You will achieve "coolness" and you will feel better about God and the life he has given you. You will make friendly wagers and win several giving a portion of the winnings to your family, the poor, and a higher yielding CD!


Keep your weight left at Impact Fix which should be logical since you are simulating the club having gone down through the ball on your way to Both Arms Straight, and keep your head Stationary at the Impact Fix point while you RFT to shoulder height. RFT feels like picking the club straight up and moving it over your shoulder. Watch any Fred Couples video as well as Yoda and Ted Fort videos, here on this site.

If you are strongly interested in this procedure, then send a PM to OB Left and Daryl, or Bagger or Yoda or JerryG or KevCarter. They are helpful and wiser than I.

As always, I am the lowest instruction-offering newbie on this site. "No,I am Spartacus!"

This is a good video.

http://lynnblakegolf.com/index.php?option=com_hwdvideoshare&task=viewvideo& Itemid=85&video_id=96

ICT