I happen to have had a lesson today with Mr. Doyle at the Quail Lodge. He is doing quite well and worked with me a couple of hours.
During the leson I asked him about the aiming point. He took out a small chunk of turf near my left foot and said that was the aiming point. I asked about #3 pp, and he stated that was to monitor lag and direct the club head to the inside aft of the ball.
I am having a playing lesson with him tomorrow and will be happy to follow up if anyone has any questions arising out of what he said.
Naturally, working wth Ben is a great joy. Signed my Golf Machine Book. Going to his house tomorrow and play his par three course and meet his wife.
that's a cool think to be doing, i'd certainly be interested in hearing how it went & what you picked up from it
I happen to have had a lesson today with Mr. Doyle at the Quail Lodge. He is doing quite well and worked with me a couple of hours.
During the leson I asked him about the aiming point. He took out a small chunk of turf near my left foot and said that was the aiming point. I asked about #3 pp, and he stated that was to monitor lag and direct the club head to the inside aft of the ball.
I am having a playing lesson with him tomorrow and will be happy to follow up if anyone has any questions arising out of what he said.
Naturally, working wth Ben is a great joy. Signed my Golf Machine Book. Going to his house tomorrow and play his par three course and meet his wife.
Very cool. Have a great day today!
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
He strongly reiterated aiming point is near the left foot.
Chipingguru, if you get a chance to ask Ben: Does he feel that his definition of aiming point is any different from the definition Homer used in the book (aiming point near the foot as opposed to aiming point on the plane line)?
This is an interesting pic.....people use Hogan as the poster boy for accumulator lag.....this pic certainly doesn't support that ..... Also where is the shaft lean??? I know this wasn't hit off turf but you can find other pics like this. Also look at the layback off the face as supported by the location of the handle. Also with the amount of angle that hogan loads and the lack of lean delivered to the ball.....hogan may have had an aiming point AFT of the ballot achieve this pic
Welcome back Bucket.
I've been looking at the photo for a while , wondering about that look. I work in film and have a kinda weird theory on why it looks funny. Here goes:
-its shot in a studio , super high speed with strobe lights, etc .
-they had him set up on a tall riser so they could take some low angle shots but put him on sand instead of artificial turf.
-his first few shots saw a tremendous plume of sand following the ball and obscuring the view of the face and ball.
- To remedy this the props man created a super high tee out of sand , old school .....it can be seen in some other shots from this session. Mr Hogan did his part by taking out all of the Down he could by playing the ball forward and then
swung the clubhead as opposed to swinging the hands.
-this is a "clean pick off" and maybe the only time Hogan would have hit a long iron tee'd an inch or more high.
I dunno.........just a theory. Sure doesnt look like his normal procedure, Release. D, said it was Random Sweep Release too so that'd be consistent with Swinging the Clubhead on the way down.
Great day with Ben, marred only by skulling one into his neighbors house out of the sand trap in his backyard.
Otherwise, working on walloping it with the pivot.
I hope to accomplish same tomorrow in the final range lesson before back to reality.
He strongly reiterated aiming point is near the left foot.
Great story , thanks for sharing Chipingguru.
I do think there's a different take on terminology happening here. Being the first A.I. wouldnt have been very easy.......heck the last A.I. probably had a horrible time with it all too. Lets give Mr Doyle his due , he has contributed so much in his life time.
Mr Doyles version of it wont hurt you in the least but perhaps it suggests he is missing out on Homer's Aiming Point which would be a shame. He could always Trace I suppose, Tracing and the Aiming Point Procedure being interchangeable. But different.
I do think there's a different take on terminology happening here. Being the first A.I. wouldnt have been very easy.......heck the last A.I. probably had a horrible time with it all too. Lets give Mr Doyle his due , he has contributed so much in his life time.
Mr Doyles version of it wont hurt you in the least but perhaps it suggests he is missing out on Homer's Aiming Point which would be a shame. He could always Trace I suppose, Tracing and the Aiming Point Procedure being interchangeable. But different.
Please send along some photos if you have them.
Hi everyone. I have been spending time with Mr. McHatton via video who quotes Mr. Doyle and looks more like him in his strokes than Yoda. No biggie. Am I correct though in that observation? Are they less RFT and more Pivot? Wouldn't they find the Aiming point more easily using RFT? Did I just lapse into threadjacking?
I have been trying so hard to stay on task! I am becoming my kindergarteners!!!!
Shalom!
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I have been spending time with Mr. McHatton via video who quotes Mr. Doyle and looks more like him in his strokes than Yoda.
My teacher was Homer Kelley. He taught me the principles of his great work, The Golfing Machine, and established the foundation for my 30-year study. For me, everything since has had to square with that standard.
Including Ben.
And, among a host of other teachers, commentators, magazine articles, and books . . .
Five Lessons / Hogan
Square-To-Square / Flick
The Golf Swing / Leadbetter
The X-Factor Swing / McLean
Stack and Tilt / Bennett/Plummer
One Plane-Two Plane / Hardy
Essentials of the Swing / Haney
And coming soon to a bookstore near you . . .
The Foley Fundamentals / Foley (my entry to the Golf Digest "Title it!" contest ).
The various methods -- in books or otherwise -- are usually straightforward and can be readily examined (and compared) using the concepts of The Golfing Machine -- as described in its text and illustrated in its sketches and photos. In that light, the strengths and weaknesses of each methodology is soon apparent.
Whatever 'method' you choose, its resultant Ball Flight can now be visualized using D-Plane (The Physics of Golf, Jorgensen, 1994) and quantified using TrackMan (www.trackman.com) or the launch monitor of your choice.
The essence of D-Plane and TrackMan, et al. are explained in Sketch 2-C-1 #3 and paragraph 7-2. For ancillary information, see also 2-F, 2-G, 2-J-1, 2-J-2, 2-N-0, 7-10, 7-11, and more than a few other places when pressed with questions.
I am becoming my kindergarteners!!!!
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