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Old 11-10-2010, 10:18 PM
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Yes - I mean no - I mean both



I'm a left handed golfer trying to translate everything to righthanded and this time I wasn't successful.

Right wrist for a right hander - that's what I meant.
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Old 11-10-2010, 10:38 PM
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Yes - I mean no - I mean both



I'm a left handed golfer trying to translate everything to righthanded and this time I wasn't successful.

Right wrist for a right hander - that's what I meant.
Must be hard to think opposite. I often say the opposite even when not trying.
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Old 11-10-2010, 10:57 PM
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Mechanics to feel: Monitoring the pressure in the hands
The flying wedges have three monitors: pp#1, #2 and #3.

The flying wedges sort of dictates the pressure point alignments throughout the stroke. Not entirely though, since pp#3 rotation or not is still an option for swinging or hitting.

But it represents a structure that is so rigid that it will expose a large number of stroke problems through pp#1,#2, #3 pressure, especially those related to rhythm.

When you are loyal to your wedges, you will to a large extent feel stroke problems as glitches, discontinuities, odd PP variation throughout your stroke. The cause can be in any component basically, but the problem will manifest itself in the hands before it manifests itself in the ball flight. There's no point in looking for an explanation of how it should feel. Because you will feel the difference between better and worse, and between right and wrong.

A flip will often create a discontinuity in the pressure. A down stroke where pp#3 overshadows pp#1 is a sign of a throwaway in the making, usually caused by a pivot that doesn't work properly. Loss of pp#2 anywhere is basically a bad thing. The list is probably endless. You don't really need a check list because you will feel whether a difference is better or worse.

Needless to say, there will be a masking effect when the ball gets in the way. The feel of impact will to a certain extent overshadow the pressure right before and right after impact. Impact feedback is important too, but you will have the best pressure feel when you do trial swings before you actually strike the ball. And when/if you get good at it you will learn to adjust the components while preparing for the actual shot. I am quite certain that the tour pro's listen to their hands when they do a large number of trial strokes before the delicate greenside par saver is executed.

Refer to another thread where you linked to Fred Shoemaker. His concept of awareness is a perfect match with TGM monitoring of the pressure points. There will from time to time be a need to be aware of other components as well. And certainly a need to monitor whatever you're working on the range. But the pressure in the hands should IMO be monitored always.

Half wedges and 3/4 wedges are great for monitoring hands pressure. If you start aiming for the 50 meter pole at your (hopefully) nearby indoor practice range, you will after a while - almost automatically - became very aware of the pressure in the hands.

And in my opinion, monitoring of the pressure in the hands is THE secret towards a good and consistent short game.
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Old 11-10-2010, 11:18 PM
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Very nice. I'm not so upset regarding the wedges any more - much thanks to you (and Yoda's Dvd +videos) and surely a couple of other names as well..
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Old 11-11-2010, 07:45 AM
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The flying wedges have three monitors: pp#1, #2 and #3.

The flying wedges sort of dictates the pressure point alignments throughout the stroke. Not entirely though, since pp#3 rotation or not is still an option for swinging or hitting.

But it represents a structure that is so rigid that it will expose a large number of stroke problems through pp#1,#2, #3 pressure, especially those related to rhythm.

When you are loyal to your wedges, you will to a large extent feel stroke problems as glitches, discontinuities, odd PP variation throughout your stroke. The cause can be in any component basically, but the problem will manifest itself in the hands before it manifests itself in the ball flight. There's no point in looking for an explanation of how it should feel. Because you will feel the difference between better and worse, and between right and wrong.

A flip will often create a discontinuity in the pressure. A down stroke where pp#3 overshadows pp#1 is a sign of a throwaway in the making, usually caused by a pivot that doesn't work properly. Loss of pp#2 anywhere is basically a bad thing. The list is probably endless. You don't really need a check list because you will feel whether a difference is better or worse.

Needless to say, there will be a masking effect when the ball gets in the way. The feel of impact will to a certain extent overshadow the pressure right before and right after impact. Impact feedback is important too, but you will have the best pressure feel when you do trial swings before you actually strike the ball. And when/if you get good at it you will learn to adjust the components while preparing for the actual shot. I am quite certain that the tour pro's listen to their hands when they do a large number of trial strokes before the delicate greenside par saver is executed.

Refer to another thread where you linked to Fred Shoemaker. His concept of awareness is a perfect match with TGM monitoring of the pressure points. There will from time to time be a need to be aware of other components as well. And certainly a need to monitor whatever you're working on the range. But the pressure in the hands should IMO be monitored always.

Half wedges and 3/4 wedges are great for monitoring hands pressure. If you start aiming for the 50 meter pole at your (hopefully) nearby indoor practice range, you will after a while - almost automatically - became very aware of the pressure in the hands.

And in my opinion, monitoring of the pressure in the hands is THE secret towards a good and consistent short game.
I was a little quick to reply yesterday. It didn't say so much about the Flying Wedges at this stage, but maybe it did after all?

Are you saying that the structure of the Flying Wedges is so rigid that you need extra awareness in the shot making - especially for the shorter shots - and that's the role of the hands - in developing feel and touch to "smoothen" the mechanics going on? (Or something like that?)
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You don't need extra awareness with the Flying Wedges. The wedges will give you extra awareness. More of the problems will manifest themselves in the hands and not be hidden by over flexible hands that doesn't have a clue about what the are supposed to do.

The flying wedges will to a large extent force you to move your hands in accordance with your pivot but your club will still obey the laws of physics. When the two don't add up, provided you don't cheat with the flying wedges, you will feel the "conflict" in your hands.

The game of golf needs real time monitoring and continous preventive maintenance. So much so, that monitoring and fine tuning becomes an integrated part of the shot preparation and ball striking. There are a lot of consistent players out there with funny looking swings. Guys who shoots in the 70's regularly even though they swing pattern is full of flaws and compensations. It works because they have a good feel system and good monitoring skills.

So work on your monitoring skills while you practice. Feel what's going on in your stroke. This will assist you in improving your stroke pattern and it will help you play your best with whatever stroke pattern you have on any given day out on the course.
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Good advice. Thanks.
I think I was able to understand what you are saying. Much more than I would a couple of months ago. Allthough you are some sort of ingenieur - far away from my knowledge place on earth - I enjoy reading what you write (when I understand it - like now).
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Old 11-11-2010, 01:50 PM
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airair, I'm getting in late on this but I think I know where your problem lies because initially I had the same one myself, that is, what are the "wedges"?

The 'wedge' refers to the shape created by the angles between the golf club and arms. So the left arm wedge is a 'v' shaped wedge.

perhaps this article from iseekgolf will help:

http://www.iseekgolf.com/golfinstruc...wedge-part-one

there is a part two there as well.
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Old 11-11-2010, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by GPStyles View Post
airair, I'm getting in late on this but I think I know where your problem lies because initially I had the same one myself, that is, what are the "wedges"?

The 'wedge' refers to the shape created by the angles between the golf club and arms. So the left arm wedge is a 'v' shaped wedge.

perhaps this article from iseekgolf will help:

http://www.iseekgolf.com/golfinstruc...wedge-part-one

there is a part two there as well.
Better late than never, as we say (tranlated) here. I probably needed this time to deal with this. So now I can read your link as well without drowning. Thanks.
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Old 11-18-2010, 04:48 AM
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I get more out of it viewing the videos.
I found this little clip that I never had seen...
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