Bad: you complicated it by bringing in a few variables- but that's OK.
Ugly- I'm not moving forward until you label LAFW - as I was serious, serious, serious that I don't understand what it stands for. And I don't do LBG for $100 until you do Bucket for $50.
We can use your proposed question if you want, thats ok, but it may come back here anyways, dont know. You pick, your question or mine.
By LAFW, I mean the Plane of the Left Wrist Cock and Uncock Motion. That is that the entire left arm the clubshaft and the back of the left hand lay flat against a plane at all times except for adjusted address or similar. A plane which is 90 degrees to the plane of the right wrist bend, the RAFW. I probably screwed it up worse now, use your question, assume a flat left wrist or whatever!
I personally think that with wrist cocking comes a little "natural" left wrist bending and the plane of wrist cock and uncock is along the Inclined Plane. This is a non Double Cocked deal I think. But its something I wonder about so thanks for offering to help. Sometimes I do Double Cock, Bend and Arch but Im not a true swinger so...........more confusion.
Oh hey can you lend me a $50? Is that a supply or demand side inflationary trend? Cant be demand! Is Bucket sick or something?
Actually, about 8:30AM this morning as I was driving to work - your abbreviation came to me "Left Arm Flying Wedge" - I was thinking you were describing/talking about the wrist condition and was thinking along the lines of Flat Left Wrist and couldn't figure out what the "A" was for.
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"Given that the Plane of LAFW is the Plane of the Left Wrist Cock and given that all Left Hand Motion is Perpendicular only (except for Double Cocking maybe?), how can the Left Wrist, cock and uncock along the Inclined Plane when the Left Arm is not itself on the Inclined Plane? "QUOTE]
A few ways to look at this - let's start with just one perspective:
Take a left hand grip only with your club, dowel, pencil - anything that would represent your club and position your hand so that you are hip high on the backswing- your hand on the plane and your left shoulder completely above the plane i.e. a normal golf motion. If you don't have the shaft already on plane you can get the clubshaft on plane by merely rotating the forearm without moving the location of the hand.
The only way you'll be confused by the above is if you have the wrong idea of "perpendicular only" - if the above doesn't make sense then please define what you mean by "perpendicular only" because it doesn't meant perpendicular to the ground at any location.
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Perpendicular Left hand motion, in the sense that if the left arm and hand were out in front of you the club would cock in a vertical to the ground manner, ie no horizontal motion in the left hand. But with the left hand turned to plane this cocking motion is no longer perpendicular to the ground literally but the hand motion is the same.
Right. So all I was saying in my previous post was that while the left arm flying wedge isn't on the clubshaft plane - the clubshaft can be on its plane.
With the flat left wrist - the wrist wouldn't be cocking/uncocking on the shaft plane - it's on the Left Arm Flying Wedge plane.
Here's the key - it's off (the clubshaft plane) uncocking motion BY ITSELF would create an off-plane motion of the clubshaft - however it doesn't operate by itself. Just as every joint doesn't move on plane- but the tool/shaft does move on plane - although shifting as it may.
Just like Homer's Kelley Machine- you can't have just one lever move and stay on plane see 1-L.
Also, see 2-N-1 in this respect - the orbiting clubhead is the result of divergent forces.
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This is sounding a lot like a middle school, men. Now, if we could get some wooden dolls around here...
Patrick
Originally Posted by O.B.Left
Mike
Did you read the entire thread to get the context of what I said?
While there is no dictionary of common golf speak, if there was I doubt "lag" would be anything like the tgm version you shared.
Your thing about left hand wrist cock is interesting. I know what you mean I think but how do you explain the far more accute angle that we can see? Sure looks like more than twenty or thirty degrees. But I defer to you Mike. You've seen a lot of cock in your day.
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level left wrist and right forearm on plane? Would that change a few things?
Patrick
Originally Posted by Daryl
TSP and RFT. The geometry is set at the end of the RFT (illustration on right). The shoulder turn changes the location of the Levers (Hands and club), not the Geometry.
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level left wrist and right forearm on plane? Would that change a few things?
Patrick
Great question Patrick.
I really like that picture as it shows in the picture on the right how to use the right forearm takeaway rather than using just your pivot which gets the club underplane.
I wish I could draw...
I would envision, with the level left wrist and right forearm on plane set up the club and red arrows traveling right up the plane line...
Patrick, you have my document with some pics of YODA and a bunch of his posts about his action, along with my guesses at his components. His action in the document is a wonderful, simple model for hitters and what I really enjoy teaching and trying to emulate personally. One day you will see how effective he is using it up close...
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There is a very good Taly video that shows some of that.
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Great question Patrick.
I really like that picture as it shows in the picture on the right how to use the right forearm takeaway rather than using just your pivot which gets the club underplane.
Here is the Taly video. Seems like a very helpful person. Ordered his device just as I started re-reading TGM with determination.
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I would envision, with the level left wrist and right forearm on plane set up the club and red arrows traveling right up the plane line...
This Taly video would be great if he re-shot it and allowed a TGM narration by Yoda!
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Patrick, you have my document with some pics of YODA and a bunch of his posts about his action, along with my guesses at his components. His action in the document is a wonderful, simple model for hitters and what I really enjoy teaching and trying to emulate personally. One day you will see how effective he is using it up close...
If there is a "summer camp" amateur cert. for LGB in August, I'm there! I'm teaching Summer School in July for the fees.
Kevin
All the best!
Patrick
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Paul Hart and Paul Smith are extremely good teachers of TGM and close allies with YODA. Paul has done a wonderful paper on using the Taly the TGM way...
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