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Old 05-12-2007, 06:27 PM
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Lee Trevino pulled with his last 3 fingers and nobody here will call him a swinger.

I would just go out on a limb here and say there are very few pure swingers on the PGA tour, but alot of horizontal hinge action.
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Old 05-12-2007, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by KnighT View Post
Lee Trevino pulled with his last 3 fingers and nobody here will call him a swinger.

I would just go out on a limb here and say there are very few pure swingers on the PGA tour, but alot of horizontal hinge action.

There is a pull at the start of the down swing for a Hitter to set up the radial pushing action. I think when folks speak of pulling and pushing at the SAME time - it is at release.
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Old 05-12-2007, 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by KnighT View Post
I would just go out on a limb here and say there are very few pure swingers on the PGA tour, but alot of horizontal hinge action.
No doubt about that!
There is very few pure anything. If there were this place would be pretty quiet.
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Old 05-12-2007, 08:54 PM
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Maybe it depends on what you're pushing. What I mean is, if you're pushing against pp1 (as a swinger) instead of the club, then aren't you just further accelerating the left arm, and thus still swinging via cf? In that case, you aren't accelerating the club both radially and in a linear fashion simultaneously, even if you feel a pull and push simultaneously, right?? I believe someone posted something to that effect here before, but I'm not sure.
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Old 05-12-2007, 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Bigwill View Post
Maybe it depends on what you're pushing. What I mean is, if you're pushing against pp1 (as a swinger) instead of the club, then aren't you just further accelerating the left arm, and thus still swinging via cf? In that case, you aren't accelerating the club both radially and in a linear fashion simultaneously, even if you feel a pull and push simultaneously, right?? I believe someone posted something to that effect here before, but I'm not sure.
You would be hitting /switting
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Old 05-12-2007, 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by neil View Post
You would be hitting /switting
Just because the Right Arm is straightening thru the shot- it doesn't mean that you are using an active #1 Acc and pushing the club as you 'throw-out' the clubhead. You can not NOT have a right arm not drive, even a passive one.

I think a 4barrel Swing is the FEEL of flipping the right hand perfectly at impact. Very controlled throw-Away. And we know the tour guys are masters at throw-Away. We aren't close.
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Old 05-12-2007, 09:57 PM
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Just because the Right Arm is straightening thru the shot- it doesn't mean that you are using an active #1 Acc and pushing the club as you 'throw-out' the clubhead. You can not NOT have a right arm not drive, even a passive one.

I think a 4barrel Swing is the FEEL of flipping the right hand perfectly at impact. Very controlled throw-Away. And we know the tour guys are masters at throw-Away. We aren't close.
But surely if you are feeling pp#1 you are pushing to the point of overiding CF force?
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:06 PM
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But surely if you are feeling pp#1 you are pushing to the point of overiding CF force?
I don't think so. You throw the clubhead in an whirl/arc. 1#pp is driving the shaft which can still have a clubhead whirling. Perhaps not the most efficient throw-out but not one that is not overriding CF if CF is still the top dog top dog delivery system.
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Old 05-12-2007, 10:51 PM
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But it is not a"straight line pull"-unless you are swinging the right arm-no?
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Old 05-12-2007, 11:17 PM
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... 1#pp is driving the shaft which can still have a clubhead whirling...
This is kind of what I was trying to get at, although I assumed that, because of its location, pp1 wouldn't be driving the shaft; it woud be driving the left hand(?)
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