Thanks for the interest guys, i read what you say but not sure if it explains where the pp3 sensaton is aimed if a swinger goes to "end" and returns to "top" ( i was using "top" a la Byron photo as shorthand for "top-of-the-line" rather than "top" as in every stroke, no matter how short, has a 'top' which need not be a "top of-the-line" position - ie shoulder height hands.
"10-23-C Top arc and striaght line. This pattern takes the hands beyond the top-of-the-line point, up and along an arc that is retraced when the hands return to the top-of-the-line point. This retracing is ideal for longitudinal acceleration with 10-19-C"
Homer was OK with a "top of the line "position on the downswing... now thats enough carpet burns, Bucket!
Bucket quote " must call you to the carpet on the Byron Nelson pic though . . . that isn't a Top pic . . . that is a START DOWN pic. "
Sorry Bossmang! I misunderstood you question . . . I'm with you on your pic. It is at Top of the Line Delivery Path.
I may be wrong about this . . . but here goes . . .
Thrust is always CROSS LINE . . . So if you were to take one of them stretch band thingies and attach it to the ground at the ball or Aiming Point it will be a straight line regardless of if the hands are at Top or at End.
That being said . . . read up on the stuff about Wheel Rim vs. Wheel Track. I think Homer said that if you used the Arc procedures you should feel the hands move in a CIRCLE??? I'll check the book and holla back . . .
How about the endless belt to get from the end to the top.
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Sorry Bossmang! I misunderstood you question . . . I'm with you on your pic. It is at Top of the Line Delivery Path.
I may be wrong about this . . . but here goes . . .
Thrust is always CROSS LINE . . . So if you were to take one of them stretch band thingies and attach it to the ground at the ball or Aiming Point it will be a straight line regardless of if the hands are at Top or at End.
That being said . . . read up on the stuff about Wheel Rim vs. Wheel Track. I think Homer said that if you used the Arc procedures you should feel the hands move in a CIRCLE??? I'll check the book and holla back . . .
Somebody?
I like your crossline thrust stuff... you had good post on that somewhere which i got saved , thrust is down and out to low point etc...
I been thinking today about it... Hogan has one of the most pronounced "away from target lateral hand moves" between "end" and "top-of-theline" on downswing....
He also has a pronounced lateral hip movement at the same time...
The hogan video with gridlines in the backgound really show up his head and hip moves and show his hands going the other way ( each moves about 1/3rd of a square)...
Still keeps his right shoulder up and shoulders minimal rotation...
He slides (and head returns to centre , and perhaps fraction lower, as address) all the time keeping hands and lag hovering, sustained... only then does his right shoulder go down and rotation occurs...
See the video if you can find it somewhere....
The hips go one way and the hands go the other , whilst lag is increased or sustained....
I guess the pp3 feel is one of hovering above your prey (like a hawk) just waiting for the moment of straight line delivery... he just waits for the slide to left ( during which the hands respond by moving opposite way ...?for balance? helps him remain centred?)... then bang...!
I like your crossline thrust stuff... you had good post on that somewhere which i got saved , thrust is down and out to low point etc...
I been thinking today about it... Hogan has one of the most pronounced "away from target lateral hand moves" between "end" and "top-of-theline" on downswing....
He also has a pronounced lateral hip movement at the same time...
The hogan video with gridlines in the backgound really show up his head and hip moves and show his hands going the other way ( each moves about 1/3rd of a square)...
Still keeps his right shoulder up and shoulders minimal rotation...
He slides (and head returns to centre , and perhaps fraction lower, as address) all the time keeping hands and lag hovering, sustained... only then does his right shoulder go down and rotation occurs...
See the video if you can find it somewhere....
The hips go one way and the hands go the other , whilst lag is increased or sustained....
I guess the pp3 feel is one of hovering above your prey (like a hawk) just waiting for the moment of straight line delivery... he just waits for the slide to left ( during which the hands respond by moving opposite way ...?for balance? helps him remain centred?)... then bang...!
Picked up the new Hogan dvd set this week. It has some amazing footage. One thing that is particularly interesting even during some of his "out to pasture" swings, he took the driver to End but the irons ended at Top. His swing looked "flat" but this was because he just took the hands to the top of the Line Delivery Path with the irons. His driver motion is to End and the hands are higher and deeper.
In my opinion Mr. Hogan loaded the left wrist better than any player in the game. He is the poster child for Instant Hip Acceleration as described by Mr. Kelley. I think that the whole "bottom half going one way while the upper half goes the other" isn't something that people should actually try to do. It is a result of the Pivot Train overcoming the inertia of the club going back. Without question Mr. Hogan used a Lagging Clubhead Takeaway. I also think this made his transition as you have observed more pronounced. The Instant Hip Acceleration throws "your back against the seat of the car." He drags it back with the right arm, overcomes the inertia, and drags it through via the Instant Hip Acceleration. The inertia of the sweet spot gets THROWN against the #2 and #3 pressure points. Watch his left wrist load like hammering.
Anyone wishing to see God given grace should purchase the DVD set. Ironically there is some footage of Mr. Hogan drilling on the backswing with just the right hand on the club. No doubt he instinctively knew the Magic of the Right Forearm. Another observation is that Eldrick is definitely "Hoganizing" his motion.
The problem with alot of pop golf instruction trying to make everything sound exact, you often see phrases like - 90 degrees of wristcock at the top....on the way down he has retained this....etc. These teachers lack any precision or observational skills and make statements that sound logical to themselves but are really only articial means to make themselves sound good to people who don't know any better.....
You see in the picture of Hogan that the wristcock is way above 90 degrees... more in the region of 110.
The same can be said in this picture to a slightly lesser extent....
Notice that both of them that their wrists are not flat inline with the left forearm but rather flat towards the plane. This allows you to float load the second power accumulator to its max like this and the only way for this to occur, both anatomically and geometrically, is to have a left wrist flat against the inclined plane..... However the 90 degrees statement is true with a flat as 'flat' left wrist due to the simultaneous relationship with the wrist turn as described with my lab thread a while back...and you will never ever have the look of these players....ever !
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