RFT Redux

[8cork]

Was revisting the David Orr-RFT video and was wondering if the proper downstroke sequence would be the opposite feel of the takeaway? Another words, should there be a dropping of the right forearm and then a closing sensation, just the opposite of the fanning in the takeaway?

[EdZ]

Was revisting the David Orr-RFT video and was wondering if the proper downstroke sequence would be the opposite feel of the takeaway? Another words, should there be a dropping of the right forearm and then a closing sensation, just the opposite of the fanning in the takeaway?

For a swinger's feel, yes. The startUP swivel allows you to take the hands directly up plane, turn of the hand to plane, and the downswing is the opposite, roll of the hand to impact.

Keep in mind two important concepts however, first that the right wrist does not cock, and second that it is the pivot and its throw out motion that causes the squaring of the clubface.

The swinger's horizontal hinge is a 'closing only' motion through impact, and hence a feel of a closing door is a good thing, especially when the right arm is straightening on the proper angle of approach.

[8cork]

Thanks for the reply Ed, I am working on a drill that Yoda shared with me that should improve my pivot and allow me to get the club on a better plane. As Yoda can attest, I am bringing the club back severely underplane, and I think along with the pivot drill, the RFT is the missing piece to get me to the top correctly.

[Yoda]

...I am working on a drill that Yoda shared with me that should improve my pivot and allow me to get the club on a better plane. As Yoda can attest, I am bringing the club back severely underplane, and I think along with the pivot drill, the RFT is the missing piece to get me to the top correctly.

8cork is planning to attend our Falcon's Fire Academy http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=4330 next month and sent me via email a Dartfish analysis of his Golf Stroke (both front and down-the-line views). I responded by telephone and with a video clip that he is working on pending our 'hands-on ' work at the Academy.

[EdZ]

8cork - one way I find useful in getting the feels of both the RFT as well as proper startup swivel, horizontal hinge motion, and right forearm motion is to do slow motion swings using zero #2 accumulator (no left wrist cock), while making sure you are not cocking the right wrist (keep it 'level'). I suspect this is similar to the drill Yoda gave you? It is a great way to demonstrate how it is the bending of the right eblow that cocks the left wrist. Happy fishing

[Delaware Golf]

Was revisting the David Orr-RFT video and was wondering if the proper downstroke sequence would be the opposite feel of the takeaway? Another words, should there be a dropping of the right forearm and then a closing sensation, just the opposite of the fanning in the takeaway?

Study and practice the extensor action drill from the Tomasello Chapter 2 "ARMS" video....from that drill you will learn the correct downstroke motion of the right forearm automatically (it took me years to finally understand how important that drill is).....from the top of a completed backswing....attempt to hit out (analyze this slowly, slow swings), see what happens to your pivot.... and then attempt to hit down, see what happens....then attempt to hit down and out from the top.....you'll find the correct downstroke motion is down with the right forearm. To check yourself, monitor your shoulder motion....with the out motion of the right forearm the shoulders go out....with a down and out motion of the right forearm, again the shoulders will go out. Only with a downward motion of the right forearm does the right shoulder move toward impact on the "Downstroke Clubshaft Plane". Check 7-3 for Homers comment about the precise up and down motion of the right forearm. It's in there............

First question for 8cork....do you understand how the straight line delivery path functions in both the backswing and downswing?

DG

[golfgnome]

I have been traveling and not able to post. In fact I wish the other post was unlocked so I could respond. However it is probably best to just give my thoughts on the importance of the right forearm and its involvement in the swing, especially in start-up.

I was teaching a group of college kids the other day and a girl with a fairly descent motion was really struggling with a pitch shot. Everything looked fine yet her club was FOLLOWING her pivot around her body, coming in under plane, and she was hitting fat shots and tops.

Once I placed a dowel, [yes those wonderful wooden training aids] on the ground as the base of her plane and had her trace it, THE BALL WAS STRUCK PERFECTLY TIME AFTER TIME. when I asked her what was different she said, "I just feel like my arms are tracing the line and my body is making a little turn. In fact it feels very easy to just pick the club up like this. Nobody ever said to do that before."

The next student had a similar problem yet her arms were folding up. I gave a simple explanation of extensor action, placed the dowel on the ground and within a few shots, the sound of compression and another happy co-ed.

Is the right forearm important? ABSOLUTELY!!!! Is the pivot important? ABSOLUTELY!!!! Are all of the components important? You get the idea.

Understanding "the magic of the right forearm" has been vital in my teaching and even more important in my own game.

[8cork]

Study and practice the extensor action drill from the Tomasello Chapter 2 "ARMS" video....from that drill you will learn the correct downstroke motion of the right forearm automatically (it took me years to finally understand how important that drill is).....from the top of a completed backswing....attempt to hit out (analyze this slowly, slow swings), see what happens to your pivot.... and then attempt to hit down, see what happens....then attempt to hit down and out from the top.....you'll find the correct downstroke motion is down with the right forearm. To check yourself, monitor your shoulder motion....with the out motion of the right forearm the shoulders go out....with a down and out motion of the right forearm, again the shoulders will go out. Only with a downward motion of the right forearm does the right shoulder move toward impact on the "Downstroke Clubshaft Plane". Check 7-3 for Homers comment about the precise up and down motion of the right forearm. It's in there............

First question for 8cork....do you understand how the straight line delivery path functions in both the backswing and downswing?

DG

Thanks for the advise DG, for me I think I have to find a happy median with the down motion of the right forearm, and also a closing of the door feeling. If I only feel the right forearm traveling down to the ball I hit high fades/cuts. If I try and close the door too soon, I hit heel shots, my right shoulder travels out instead of down. I look forward to some guidence next month in Orlando.

[Delaware Golf]

Thanks for the advise DG, for me I think I have to find a happy median with the down motion of the right forearm, and also a closing of the door feeling. If I only feel the right forearm traveling down to the ball I hit high fades/cuts. If I try and close the door too soon, I hit heel shots, my right shoulder travels out instead of down. I look forward to some guidence next month in Orlando.

Don't think you'll find the answer in Orlando. If you do, it's with another pattern.

Didn't answer my question about the straight delivery path?

DG

[Amen Corner]

[quote=Delaware Golf;39079]Don't think you'll find the answer in Orlando. If you do, it's with another pattern.

Hey, wait a minute.....

Are you saying that he will waste time vistiting the troika????

And that your answer is the best???