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Old 11-26-2006, 10:52 PM
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I have been trying to think about these two accumulators in relation to the left arm flying wedge. MikeO mentioned that these two angles can be confused, and that did happen to me for a while.

Here are some things that I am currently trying to work out, so it might be incorrect. Accumulator #2 is velocity power. The left wrist cocks up, on the plane of the left arm flying wedge. This shortens the length of the primary lever assembly. During release, the left wrist uncocks on the same plane of left arm flying wedge. I think Bucket said that full lever extension happens after impact.

Accumulator #3 is transfer power. I have been thinking about this one as torque. I wonder if this is correct. The left wrist turning and rolling produces a twisting force on the grip (without allowing the grip to actually change at all). If you visualize the left arm flying wedge as a sail from a sail boat....does the turn and roll cause the sail to 'catch wind' on both the backswing and downswing ?
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Old 11-26-2006, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by KnighT
I have been trying to think about these two accumulators in relation to the left arm flying wedge. MikeO mentioned that these two angles can be confused, and that did happen to me for a while.

Here are some things that I am currently trying to work out, so it might be incorrect. Accumulator #2 is velocity power. The left wrist cocks up, on the plane of the left arm flying wedge. This shortens the length of the primary lever assembly. During release, the left wrist uncocks on the same plane of left arm flying wedge. I think Bucket said that full lever extension happens after impact.

Accumulator #3 is transfer power. I have been thinking about this one as torque. I wonder if this is correct. The left wrist turning and rolling produces a twisting force on the grip (without allowing the grip to actually change at all). If you visualize the left arm flying wedge as a sail from a sail boat....does the turn and roll cause the sail to 'catch wind' on both the backswing and downswing ?
This is #2 . . .



It is that simple.

Rather than hammering on a VERTICAL Plane you as a G.O.L.F.er are hammering on an INCLINED PLANE.

#3 is simply Rolling the "residual" velocity through the ball. So you are still hammering (Uncocking) as you roll the rest through . . . you are not FULLY UNCOCKED until AFTER impact.

Check this video out for a CLASSIC LBG demo on Roll POWER . . . particularly as it relates to the Delivery Line and the Uncocking Vertical to the Inclined Plane.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery/files/3-roll.wmv
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Old 11-26-2006, 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket

This is #2 . . .



It is that simple.

Rather than hammering on a VERTICAL Plane you as a G.O.L.F.er are hammering on an INCLINED PLANE.

#3 is simply Rolling the "residual" velocity through the ball. So you are still hammering (Uncocking) as you roll the rest through . . . you are not FULLY UNCOCKED until AFTER impact.

Check this video out for a CLASSIC LBG demo on Roll POWER . . . particularly as it relates to the Delivery Line and the Uncocking Vertical to the Inclined Plane.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/gallery/files/3-roll.wmv
This is it exactly.

In fact, no less than Sam Snead described the Left Wrist Release as a "sidewise hammer." And the Left Wrist does indeed continue to 'hammer' through Impact as it moves from Level (at Impact) to Uncocked (post-Impact). So, even the Swinger's Sequenced Release --Uncock then Roll -- is not completely Sequenced: There remains a touch of the 'simultaneous' Uncock and Roll as well. However, the Uncocking always precedes the Rolling.

Thanks, Bucket!
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Old 11-27-2006, 05:51 AM
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Erratum Mike!
Originally Posted by Mike O
Just popped in- I'll post back later - but could you review your post- you mention maintaining max #2 and then mention maintaining max#3- is that correct or did you say 2 and mean 3 or say 3 and mean 2.
Aaaah yes, sorry Mike, I mean "maintaining max #3 acc. seems unfeasible?" instead of "maintaining max #2 acc. seems unfeasible?"

I edited and fixed my previous post.
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Old 11-28-2006, 01:10 AM
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Boss . . . after some intense study of the Martee Make-Over CD . . . I'm convinced that you absolutely have NAILED how to teach swinging with the Hammering on a Vertical Plane.

I have been experimenting with going back and forth between the vertical and inclined planes of motion . . .

But this was the kicker for me. I did the full hammering deal on the vertical plane in SLOOOOOOOOOW MOTION with the club above my head and just past parallel to the ground.

You can absolutely feel swinging as you describe it "first drag it toward the plane line . . . then uncock the wrist." It is amazing how much you can feel by doing it slow and then when the club gets outside your hands it "throws out."

Then I did the same thing super slow on the inclined plane and whamo throw and then a nice swivel back up plane . . . all as "God intended" as you say in the video.

Great stuff! Try it really slow and see what you think.

Thanks again!

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Old 11-28-2006, 02:34 AM
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Any chance we can share with the Martee Make-Over CD?
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Boss . . . after some intense study of the Martee Make-Over CD . . . I'm convinced that you absolutely have NAILED how to teach swinging with the Hammering on a Vertical Plane.

I have been experimenting with going back and forth between the vertical and inclined planes of motion . . .

But this was the kicker for me. I did the full hammering deal on the vertical plane in SLOOOOOOOOOW MOTION with the club above my head and just past parallel to the ground.

You can absolutely feel swinging as you describe it "first drag it toward the plane line . . . then uncock the wrist." It is amazing how much you can feel by doing it slow and then when the club gets outside your hands it "throws out."

Then I did the same thing super slow on the inclined plane and whamo throw and then a nice swivel back up plane . . . all as "God intended" as you say in the video.

Great stuff! Try it really slow and see what you think.

Thanks again!

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An excellent way to learn that it is the pivot that produces the 'roll'.

While learning the 'hammer', it can also be helpful to use a 10-2-D grip - an easy way to learn the pure uncocking of the left hand karate chop, and how the pivot and straightening of the right arm relate to Rhythm and throw out.
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This is it exactly.

In fact, no less than Sam Snead described the Left Wrist Release as a "sidewise hammer." And the Left Wrist does indeed continue to 'hammer' through Impact as it moves from Level (at Impact) to Uncocked (post-Impact). So, even the Swinger's Sequenced Release --Uncock then Roll -- is not completely Sequenced: There remains a touch of the 'simultaneous' Uncock and Roll as well. However, the Uncocking always precedes the Rolling.

Thanks, Bucket!
You reckon these boys know how to Load up the #2 Pressure Point?



Put your club in your left hand only . . . raise your hand up beside your left ear and hammer the ground vertically . . . you'll get this same look . . . just on a different plane . . . do it in a mirror see how throw out works . . . then move it over to the inclined plane.
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