[O.B.Left]

Originally Posted by O.B.Left
You asked me to find book support for my contention that Pivot Power can be used when Hitting . But Ill try to supply the Hows if I can.

Now wait a minute.....the premise was SWINGERS STARTDOWN...not pivot power....it's clear from 2-M-4 that Hitters are not excluded from Body Power....I never said otherwise....my debate is Fly Wheel Spinning...He says that the pivot supplies the initial acceleration...so the clubhead picks up speed from the pivot....so you have right arm and pivot speed...that's not in reference to just 4 barrel hitting....it's in reference to Pivot Stroke Hitting...

Nice one! Agreed a Hitter can get his Pivot Working via the Pivot PUSHING from the right side. Not a ground up , swinging from the feet pulling or Drag Loading . The left arm is not accelerated in this manner. Arguably , meaning that by definition Power Accumulator number 4 (Left ARm Power) is not being employed. Some would say this isn't 4B Hitting therefor as theres no #4. But I wasn't talking about that. You right that would not be 10-19-C Drag Loading.

Lets work the other side then ...
What would you call a 3B Swinger who added a Right Arm Throw? If he's got a Right ARm Throw he's Pushing in Release , Hitting right? Doesn't he still have a 10-19-C Drag Loading Startdown? Or are you saying he has to forfeit that?

But how can one PULL from PITCH ELBOW....particularly DEEP PITCH...deep pitch to me translates to sequenced release type.

I never said " PULL from Pitch". I said Pull from Punch Elbow approaching Pitch Elbow.

I personally see Pitch as a structurally week position from which to Push assuming you can Push .... I have some tendon issues to prove it. You're close to being in a pull position depending on where your Right Elbow is relation to you Hands, meaning you've crossed over to Right Arm Swinging.

As an aside Homer never said you couldn't Hit from Pitch, or Snap for that matter. So here's a point where we both are straying from Homers logic.
In the audio tapes he mentions Right Arm Pitch Basic. " Pitch Basic is merely the Elbow position and can be used Hitting or Swinging, its beautiful for Hitting... "

From the book see POWER PACKAGE RELEASE 10-24-0 GENERAL ".... All Release Variations are valid for both Hitting and Swinging....". This includes 10-24-D NON AUTOMATIC SNAP RELEASE and 10-24-E AUTOMATIC SNAP RELEASE

Maybe you think Im wrong to suggest you can mix all these components up but I submit Homer did it more than I do. In the end he was talking about some crazy non (shaft) planar component combinations. Personally , practically I still have a strong preference for keeping things simple ! Stricker style for me.

If "deep Pitch translates into Sequenced Release" as you say then that would suggest to me that a Hitter could Sequence his Release ... Interesting stuff. Ive also read that the deeper a Hitters Right Elbow gets the more he tends towards Horizontal Hinging. Also interesting.

To me the release type MANDATES a different motion of the sweetspot

To me too and therefor the Pivot motion changes as well, logically.


Wanna move over to Arnie's start down?

Or go back to Tiger? Think he got to Pitch Elbow by slowing down? That'd be a good thing in my book. No amount of effort can increase you hand speed materially past a certain point. I think he used to operate past that point a lot. He should get more club head speed like this , with a later release. He probably feels like he's swinging slower when he does this. I like it.

D. I got a feeling Tiger knows exactly what Extensor Action is. Small Pulley Wheel. How figure skaters spin faster. Zone 2 as Power as opposed to Zone 1. What being on plane at Top looks like . Plane Shifts. Plane Line Rotation. Right Forearm Takeaway. Unless things have really changed with Sean Foley , which is possible. He doesnt stand still on the knowledge front. Bet he buys your video .... watch for the new buzz word on tour... "the forearm angle of approach". Kostis will use it without knowing what it is. "Tiger used to get stuck but watch as he clears a huge path with his hips for his right forearm angle of approach".