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You asked me to find book support for my contention that Pivot Power can be used when Hitting . But Ill try to supply the Hows if I can.

Now wait a minute.....the premise was SWINGERS STARTDOWN...not pivot power....it's clear from 2-M-4 that Hitters are not excluded from Body Power....I never said otherwise....my debate is Fly Wheel Spinning...He says that the pivot supplies the initial acceleration...so the clubhead picks up speed from the pivot....so you have right arm and pivot speed...that's not in reference to just 4 barrel hitting....it's in reference to Pivot Stroke Hitting...

In 2-M-4 BODY POWER , Homers use of the word "Or" distinguishes what blasts the Inert Left Arm off the chest... CF via Pivot Thrust (swinging) or Right Arm Thrust (Hittting). Assuming the presence of Body Power. The presence of Body Power forfeiting mere Body Motion , the pivot just Delivering the Right Shoulder to its launch pad position. He's talking 4B Hitting the Launch Pad but one that is on the move through the shot.

For the HOW... see 2-M-3 "......to Power Package Thrust add a Shoulder Turn per 2-M-4..... "

The "OR" of 2-M-4 BODY POWER , is not in reference to possible differences in the Pivot for Swinging or Hitting. Though there may be, probably are some differences depending on the pattern in question , how you add Shoulder Turn, the nature of the Right Arm Throw, the position of the Right Elbow in Release , the path of the #3 pp specifically.

9-1 ZONE #1. "Emphatically , the Hands are not educated until they control the Pivot". This would suggest to me that if your preferred Hitting Pattern made for a different Hand Path then yes the Pivot would logically be different so as to best accommodate the new Hand Path.

To my mind you can Hit with a Deep Right Elbow. Punch Elbow can approach Pitch. Theres a range to Punch Elbow. Hitting is not always an inline Push Basic like Right Arm Extension. It can be a shot putting like motion yes but it can also be more like skipping stones ,a side armed throwing motion at the aiming point. A different Right Arm Throw Implying a different Right Elbow Position a different Hand Path and therefor a different Pivot.

Sure there's a range to Punch....but the limit to the range is the right hip....Punch is there primarily because the Right Forearm is in a position to PUSH NOT PULL

I hope you don't think Im in any way critiquing your personal Hitting Pattern... Given my belief in a multitude of methods I don't rule out very much. Heck Ill try anything. Maybe I don't understand the whys and hows of it all but Im all ears.




To Hit is to Push in Release. To Swing is to Pull.

But how can one PULL from PITCH ELBOW....particularly DEEP PITCH...deep pitch to me translates to sequenced release type.
The look of this varies with the nature of the procedure being used . Again you have the polar opposites and the grey area in between . In the middle they can be very similar. The difference lies in the application of power, component 10-20. THE THROWS. What Throw is being employed through the ball. Is it a Push (Right Arm Throw typically) or a Pull ( Wrist Throw, often).

The Sweetspot may or may not move differently.

To me the release type MANDATES a different motion of the sweetspot Again it depends. It most likely does move differently. Sequenced Release vs Simultaneous , Arc vs Angle of Approach with its Cross Line Plane angle..... Hitting can be a very different procedure... often is. But not necessarily.




Homer says "associate the following with Hitting (10-19-A)". He doesn't say the following define Hitting . He doesn't say the following are unique to Hitting. Many of those components can be used by either Swingers or Hitters .

He is delineating two extremes here again. As he did in 12-1 and 12-2. Here its Drive Loading and Swinging . True Swinging actually given that he lists Plane Line Rotation , F-3. See 7-3 this implies no Grip Rotation , ruling out Manipulated Hands Swingers from this component list. Therefor not even Hogan, a manipulated hands swinger, would conform to this list of Swinging components. There's lots of options. Trillions. The more compensations required , though still "usable", the more complicated the procedure.

In the audio tapes Homer was asked if a Hitter could use the Arc of Approach . His answer was to the affirmative. When asked if a Swinger could use the Angle of Approach Procedure , he said " NO..... uh well yes... but he'd have a lot of compensations to make" .

A lot of those components could change sides. Not all of em though. I have trouble imagining a Hitter with a Sequenced Release . I have trouble imagining a Swinger with an active Right Elbow..... unless he was Right Arm Swinging. Yup the right Arm Swingers aren't included there either . Or the 4B guys. Trevino, Palmer etc. I see Arnie as Pulling in Startdown .

The main problems with a 10-19-C and Right Arm throw combination , the things requiring compensation, are the direction of Loading (10-11-03) and the going from Pulling in Startdown to Pushing in Release, while limiting residual left side Pulling through the ball. You've loaded along the Top but you're going to thrust against the AFT . A lot of guys change their grip, some arch at top , some guys get super deep with a lot of #2 Angle but keep their Right Elbow back so its still Punch and aligned for pushing. They've loaded their Rotated Pressure Point (assuming a 10-2-B grip) in Startdown but now have to Thrust against their #1pp on the aft in Release. Thats a 90 degree problem.

It can be done but it aint easy. Homer questioned whether it was worth the effort and the cost to consistency.

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