[MizunoJoe]

Obviously a very nice swing, and clearly Mr. Doyle is a wonderful teacher. Everybody has their own preferences, I can't imagine playing with or teaching a swing that moves off the ball and is pivot controlled hands. Probably what Mr. Bucket meant, just not our cup of tea.

It's all about the tripod, hands controlled pivot, and The Magic Of The Right Forearm for me...

Kevin

On the contrary, in video #17 at :19, he says "you're gonna monitor through the right forefinger". In another clip, he tells him to keep his mind in his hands. Ben teaches the hands controlled pivot! Throughout these clips, Ben talks about aiming point, which implies hand control.

You are saying that the shoulder turn takeaway is pivot controlled hands, but that the pivot driving the hands in the DS is not. If the pivot executing the BS is pivot control, then the pivot executing the DS would also have to be pivot control - you can't have it both ways. If you can direct the hands to a specific location with a fanning forearm, you can also direct them there with a shoulder turn. And wherever the hands end up in the BS, in either case, the mind is in them and knows where they are, and can then instruct the pivot to deliver them to a specific aiming point.

The fact is, that if you claim that arm action independent of shoulder rotation is required in the BS for hand control, then it would require arm action independent of shoulder rotation for hand control in the DS, i.e., an arm swing, which wouldn't provide the minimum power requirements to play golf effectively.