[12 piece bucket]

After thinking on this a bit more, I realized I left out another important consideration regarding the pivot. The pivot has to interact with the ground....zone 1 is the only zone that comes in contact with the ground, and the power and speed of the pivot has to be developed from the ground up. If you try to pivot with one leg in the air, you can't go to hard or to fast...you need to be firmly connected to the ground. Also, I have found that you can generate a lot of rotational force by getting down into the ground and then rebounding up...reminds me a bit of Percy Boomer, opposing forces, gotta get down to get up.

Bucket, I would be interested to hear your thoughts on how the pivot interacts with the ground. As I understand it, the boys on the "dark side" also like the idea of getting down and springing up to generate rotational force. What have you learned about that?

Also does this idea of getting down and using the ground, then springing up, fall into the sacred snare of bobbing? Did Hogan bob? Did Snead? Does it matter? Why or why not?

I gotta believe that there are some vertical forces involved for sure . . . the straightening of the left knee allows the hip to turn and go forward (I think Mike O may be able to add to this since he's chopped many a person up) . . . straightening would certainly have a vertical component. Also I would think that it would depend on your Delivery Line as well. A cross line motion is going to be much more across I'd think thus more horizontal forces than vertical. An arc of approach procecure would be more vertical and rotational I'd think.

I see vertical forces in these pics . ..