[6bmike]

Sorry I wasn't able to post my reply yesterday- I'll just post it here..

The Hands control the pivot. They are not the pivot. The Hands train and design the pivot's movement. The hands are the boss, the pivot is the laborer. The pivot's pivot gear train begins from the bottom up. Even TT moves his hips first- go check the front viewo pf his swing in chap 9. Small bump that continues to rotate just before the Hands drop.

This does not mean the pivot controls the Hands? NO. Never does a trained “by the Hands Pivot” ever dominate the Hands Delivery path to the ball. A pivot controlled Hands motion would always dominate and control the lines for the Hands.

Sorry I wasn't able to post my reply yesterday- I hope sometime today.

BUT... The Hands control the pivot. They are not the pivot. The Hands train and design the pivot movement. The hands are the boss, the pivot is the laborer

This does not mean the pivot controls the Hands? NO. Never does a trained “by the Hands Pivot” ever dominate the Hands Delivery path to the ball. A pivot controlled Hands motion would always dominate and control the lines for the Hands.

Understand Hula Hula- maybe one of the top original concepts Mr Kelley developed in his research- and you will see the relationship better between a Hand controlled Pivot and its Pivot components. The Hips, independent from the shoulders, creates a path for the hands. Ever so important for a Hitter to have an avenue and important for a CF gyro cranking swinger to free wheel the Master Accumulator. These actions are not pivot control. With Hula Hula, the Hands have complete guidance to the low point. How can that be pivot control?

Strip away everything a student of Homer Kelley’s book has learned and the last thing you will find- the first thing ever told to the student is Hands Control the Pivot. Even before The Imperatives. It is taught at the earliest introduce to TGM because the physics of a stroke should never control or dominate the geometric alignments. A student must understand this idea right from the start. The ‘reach’ is a nice way to introduce the concept the way elementary students learn about History. Details change the more you study.


Can you let the Hands drop without any hip movement? If that is the way you trained your pivot but I think the hands would be at the mercy of the rotation more so then with Hula Hula- the great highway builder. And not every stroke is a full swing.

Homer says Train the Pivot.
What’s the pivot for?
To Delivery the Hands to Impact.
The Hands train the pivot.
My Hands have trained the pivot (many times)

I have gotten little support discussing Hula Hula and the Training of the Pivot. Mike O and I have discussed this in another thread. I have reviewed all Yoda materials, his old posts, workshop notes and videos and for the life of me can see how Lynn taught me wrong.


Reach or Train, Hula Hula or Drop, Sweep or Snap, Hit or Swing. You got the options.