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Why Swinging? or Why Hitting ? list pros and cons
I would like to get everyones thoughts on both actions. Why do you hitters prefer hitting? and what do you feel you benefit from it. Ditto with swinging.
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I haven't had a chance to practice enough to determine what is best for me between hitting and swinging. It may even depend upon my aches and pains on any given day! What I have found for me, is that hitting is a much more consistent pattern for the short game, both basic, and acquired motion, even for putting! I can focus on that on plane right forearm and feel it is a VERY simple procedure. If I try to swing without a pivot, I flip. Those flying wedges stay in much better alignments when hitting... for me... your mileage may vary... :golf: Kevin |
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I don't remember where this is taken, but here it comes:
............... The general consensus is to master swinging before hitting. Swinging relies less on manual hand drive/manipulation and is the easier of the two, hitting can be more precise when done properly though. Hitting is the driving of the right arm, the basics of the motion are: 1) Club is taken back to right shoulder height (roughly, try to go no longer as you risk starting the downswing by pulling the club, which means you will be swinging) 2) When you take the club back, you will use an angled hinge (has the appearance of being a little shut) 3) From there it is a slow steady drive of the clubhead, using the right forearm towards the inside aft of the ball. As good a teacher that Tommy Tomasello was, he got hitting all wrong. He talks about hitting being used for low wind punch type shots. This is incorrect, hitting or swinging do not control the height of the shot, rather the hinge action used and the angle of attack. Finally to answer your number 3, I would recommend truely mastering one or the other (preferably swinging first) before trying to use both. It is quite common to find good TGM trained golfers who mostly use swinging, except from 130 in where they want the precision of hitting. Swinging is what most people do, use centrifugal force to swing the club down through the ball. It produces a draw when used with the left wrist being allowed to roll closed throughout the shot. Hitting is using the right arm to thurst hard through the ball. Hitting produces a controlled fade and is very accurate. But is not as powerful. This is why some swing long clubs and hit shorter ones where power is not longer the most important factor. If you are stronger than most, you can hit the whole way around, like a Trevino or Palmer. |
I don't know the origin of this either (Copy of a copy from my lap top) If it deserves deleting - so be it.
... There are ONLY two ways you can move an object. You can either PULL it or PUSH it. A swinger moves the club by PULLING it with the left arm. No right arm force applied. A hitter moves the club by PUSHING it with the right arm. Iron Byron doesn't have a right arm (I hope) so the club is not being PUSHED, so one must conclude that Iron Byron is a swinger because the machine is PULLING the club into impact. Still not convinced? Below are a list of the differences taken from a post on another TGM forum to expand the obvious differences even further. Swinger vs Hitter Pull vs Push Longitudinal Acceleration vs Radial Acceleration Rope Handle vs Axe Handle Centrifugal Force vs Muscular Thrust Whirl back vs Muscular Carry back Quick vs Strong Stretched Muscles vs Contracted Muscles Loose vs Stiff Pitch Basic Stroke vs Punch Basic Stroke Spin vs Drive Right Shoulder Flywheel vs Right Shoulder Backstop (Launching Pad) Pivot Thrust (Momentum transfer) vs Power Package Thrust End vs Top Top Arc vs Straight Line Quick Start Down vs Slow Start Down PP#3 Top Side vs PP#3 Aft Side Standard Wrist Action vs Single Wrist Action Sequenced Release vs Simultaneous Release Right palm 'on plane' vs plane 'through' right palm Wrist Action vs Hand Motion Drag Loading vs Drive Loading Throw Out vs Drive Out Start up and release Swivel vs No Swivel (except after Follow Through) Wrist Throw vs Right Arm Throw Arc of Approach vs Angle of Approach Wheel Rim vs Wheel Track Horizontal Hinging vs Angled Hinging Full Roll Feel vs No Roll Feel Draw vs Fade On-Line vs Cross Line Plane Line Rotation vs Grip Rotation Soft hands vs (Relatively) Firmer hands Standard Address vs Fix Address Accumulator #4 vs Accumulator #1 Physics vs Geometry Let it happen vs Make it happen Mike Finney (Mikestloc) vs Ted Fort (YodasLuke) Elegant vs Not so elegant A hitter will generally grip tighter than a swinger because a hitter is 'fighting' rotation, and a swinger is 'allowing' it. Imagine you were to swing a hockey stick like object, but with a very long blade. All things being equal, the blade will align itself with the direction/plane of force (why people slice, in part). A hitter resists the blade rotation and must provide a firmer grip to do so. A swinger, by contrast, needs to create the 'throw out' force (rotation) that will square up the blade. You could also argue that a hitter might tend to be more upright, and a swinger more flat because of those conditions, although there are no hard and fast rules there IMO. |
same here.
.. Swinger Passive Arms Body Open at Impact Shallow Swing Plane Arms Deep at the Top Upper Body Rotates throughout Swing Like Low Maintenance Hitter Uses Arms Body Square at Impact Steeper Swing Plane Arms more in Front of Body Upper Body Quiet Like to Work on Swing |
Hitting for me because:
1) I'm not good at doing "nothing" -- I feel better with the active right arm thrusting versus trusting CF to make it happen. 2) Every other sport I've ever played was right handed -- it wants to be active. 3) I'm getting older and less limber -- hands right shoulder high is just easier. Plus, I've always hit the ball farther on 3/4 swings! 4) Everything I've read says hitting is more consistent -- I need that! I want that! I started golf in my early twenty's and I think I was a natural hitter. My stock tee shot when I started was a 3 wood off the ground -- just beat down and out like hitting a baseball. Length was not an issue -- I was up with my college buddies who were hitting drivers. I've always hit irons well -- just hit down and out (sort of down and "through"). I got in trouble when I started to read about "sweeping" the ball and being left arm dominant and worst of all the dreaded -- POSITION GOLF! Yuck. So, I'm trying to adopt what I understand to be the most consistent way of hitting a golf ball, a way that I naturally gravitated to when I picked the game up and the way that is most appealing to my sense of who I am and how I want to play. |
nice research Air
thanks :-) |
Great topic and some very informative answers thus far. I am feeling like hitting is more natural for me but certainly don't want to give up on swinging. It sounds like a few people seem to think swinging needs to be learned first and that has me thinking.
I definitely agree that hitting for basic and acquired motion seems easier and swinging the longer clubs seems like a better idea but I have much work to do with that. I realize now why I always have had a lot of inconsistency in my game when I would seem to mix both swinging and hitting elements. I do wonder about setup and posture, is it the same for both? Do you feel very vertical or more bent over? Another question is should the shoulder turn feel level or steep? Any direction would be appreciated. |
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