Was Nicklaus off plane?
 

Homer wrote "The right forearm of every hacker comes into impact too high - pointing beyond the delivery line during the Downstroke" (2-F)

Here is a picture of Nicklaus at the delivery position.

The right forearm points outside the ball, what am I missing? I ask because I use the TSP like Nicklaus and my arm is very similar at the same position. I asked someone else knowledgeable with teh golf swing and they stated that they teach all their students to have the right forearm on plane at the delivery position because you have to rely on wrist action into impact when it is not. I just am wondering if the book is correct and its a fault that I should attempt to fix.

Here's the Iceman:



When HK said that the Right Forearm of every Hacker comes in too High, he's referring to the #3 PP not tracing the Delivery Line.

There are many Planes. Swing Plane, Shaft Plane, Left Arm Flying Wedge, Right Arm Flying Wedge, etc.

The only instance when the Right Forearm is on the actual Swing Plane at Release, is when the Swing Plane is the Elbow Plane and the Elbow and Hands are on the Plane.

In TGM, in all instances, when we say that the Right Forearm (right forearm flying wedge) is On Plane, we mean that it is at Right Angles to the Left Arm Wedge Plane. This includes the Elbow Plane.



6-B-3-0-1 THE FLYING WEDGES illustration is below on the Right. The Elbow Plane version is on the Left. Note that the Illustrations are at the Release.

Great description and wonderful visuals Daryl!

Should the text on the picture read Cocked Left Wrist and Level Left Wrist instead of bent and flat?

Thanks,
Kevin

D . . . would your graphic be prescribing an UNCOCKED ZERO'D OUT #3 accumulator on the TSP???? Where's the #3 angle . . . you prescribing a chip shot?

You are mixing up the on-plane stuff a bit which is easy to do in the machine . . . . here you see Jack's right forearm and shaft IN-THE-SAME-PLANE . . . model right forearm flying wedge alignment . . . . the right forearm if the right wrist is bent and you are tracing the original plane line will point out to right field if you laid a dowel down the angle of the forearm. Jack is also on-plane here . . . but if the club is pointing at the plane line . . . no problems here . . . model stuff to copy.

Thanks Daryl and Bucket, thats why I posted this picture here because I knew you guys would have the goods :salut:

Here is my pic at the same spot right now, I am playing good golf but as usual if its not perfect I am always looking to get better. For me I really feel the pp#3 turn down and drive into the ground just in front of the ball from the position to impact.

Your Right Forearm is under the Inclined Plane as it should be there. Imagine the Inclined Plane as running from the ball up to where your right shoulder was when it was turned, that'd be a TSP. Looks like your #3pp would be right on it which is good , really good. The Right Forearm is on the Inclined Plane at Impact (and Fix), but maintains the RFFW , the Plane of the Right Wrist Bend throughout the entire swing.

I'm thinking the confusion lies in what Homer meant by "coming into impact". The photo of Jack is prior to that , more Release than "coming into Impact".

The longer you keep your Right Hand flat to the Inclined Plane (on the underside of the plane) the later the Release Point and the more right arm you will have for the ball..........this is Hitter talk here. It is the Right Elbow that you Load and the Right Elbow that you Release. (Forget about loading the Left Wrist and maintaining #2 Angle that is sissy stuff). The Right Forearm will stay under the Inclined Plane until Release at which time it will start to rotate up onto the Inclined Plane assuming RFFW maintenance. If you lose your RFFW alignment then as Homer was referring to it will not point at the Plane Line coming into Impact..........very structurally week in a mechanical sense and lacking Direction , Tracing ability in a Geometric sense. The #3pp, the entire Right Forearm Flying Wedge relates to both Thrust and Direction.

Take an iron, grip it and put the head against something wont move.......the edge of mat, a door frame ,the ground even.........and try to bend the shaft as much as you can. Notice how you automatically adopt a RFFW alignment! Its structure plus. (You'll also probably feel the left thumb wanting to go to the aft of the grip and the #3 pp as well cool eh?) Anyways this Structure of the RFFW is what the Hitter thinks about taking into the ball, smashing the ball to smithereens with it. The iron glove of the Hitter! What the Hitter thinks about if he aint hungry or needs to go to the bathroom. Our Swinger buddies have it too but dont think about so much to their detriment maybe. They're normally busy fretting over their pretty little left wrist cock delay or something.....

Follow up question on planes. You are correct, if I draw a plane line from the ball to the TSP at that same picture my hands are right on the line, in fact my hands follow the line from downstroke start to just after impact where they move inside the line. The club is slightly under the line. Is this on plane using the hands as the guide or is there a potential issue because the clubhead travels inside that line?

That sounds really, really good, simple , easy to repeat. No shift of Plane Angles going down anyways. Meaning you are probably "Single Shift" (on the backswing Im guessing , although you could be zero shift too but its a rarity see 10-6-B you'd need those high hands and clubshaft to be zero shift). Anyways you're using the TSP! Which has tremendous advantages like being able to Startdown with your Right Shoulder and have it take the Hands Down Plane!!!! Hello 6-M-1 Downswing Sequence without needing to drop your Hands to a Lower Plane first.

Its the Right Shoulder that takes the Bent Right Arm , the fully loaded Right Elbow for the Hitter down to its Release Point! There is no other way! Think about it. But the Right Shoulder must travel Down Plane. See 10-13-A Standard Shoulder Turn after you digest the TSP. Thanks to Yoda I now think about the business of the Backswing as being an effort to get the Hands and the Right Shoulder on the TSP at Top. They dont start out that way , together on that Plane at Address, they travel different paths to get there assuming a Right Forearm Takeaway. But that is the goal at Top! Cant do it with a Shoulder Turn Takeaway! You need to have your mind in your Hands.

As for the under plane stuff after impact........it could be camera angle, it could be real. If its real, your divots probably point to the left.

The Illustrations show the Geometry at the Release Point. At Impact the Left Wrist is Level. I should have shortened the Clubs more in the illustration to be less confusing.