Mike Austin
 

Unsure where i should post this ,so if it needs to be moved fine.

As one does on his golf journey,they will sort through the myriad of info now available via the WWW.
I have come across the sight of a guy in the skeletal suite swinging the club,this turned out to be Mike Austin,great stuff.But what REALLY grabbed my attention was I think it is him showing his PIVOT and general swing on u/tube,a vision of this "old" guy,swinging the club with what i saw as grace.....I have seen many a great golf swing over the yrs as indeed we all have,but this swing from Austin clicked my switch.....it just seemed to click for me.
There is so much more to Mike Austin ie:...hinging take-away and loading,I would really love to hear more about his CONCEPT from you guys here ,I think our thirst for knowledge is never ending...cheers Brownman:golf: I did seek permission from Lynn re posting this about Austin and did give permission Thanks LYNN

Some organized thoughts on Mile Austin
 

This is simply FYI. I don't have the technical depth to evaluate this.


http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/austin.htm
I'm hoping Kevin or OB or Daryl or Lynn have some thoughts.

ICT

Austin
 

Inner city,i couldnt get the link to work?
For those purists,please dont concern yourselves in thinking that i will lose whatewver swing i may have if i work on austins swing for a bit,as it is what i love doing,trying anything and everything.
DAY 1.
began swinging ala austin slowly using 7 ir,i found i just wasnt quite understanding mikes description properly,i was simply using a form of vertical hinging and not much else,the shots were very high,yet still getting some good distance,but the 1 thing it was lacking was compression,i think the distance was just because the height.
Now,my way of learning is most likely different to most,not happy with the 7ir learning process,I went straight into driver,now,without me waffling on too long,i will cut to the chase!
After hitting a few drives very high and VERY right,I started to use homers and Lynns self examination process...LOOK...LOOK...LOOK,the main things I discovered was that in order to get compression and accuracy,I began concentrating on 1. R/forearm alighnment,a frozen R/bent wrist,and the MAIN thing for me was the(from Top backswing)down into release area,I would turn R/levers in a clockwise direction about a 1/4 turn simultaneously with the downswing and this was assisting my "underhanded" delivery into impact ,the results were amazing,very long but still a bit on the high side,but I have never hit driver that long before....
I will hope to have more info on this in the coming days,the interesting thing that has come out of this so far,is the fact that I am still using so many of Homers teachings along the way, ie: lever alighnments,frozen wrist, or better put,flying wedges,the pivot is pretty standard,being able to dismantle componants and work on them seperatly is a real bonus .
Now,if some here feels Im doing something incorrect with the swing,by all means chip in........BM

Ask Loren. Its one of his favourite topics.

Austin
 

Will do guru,Im having a ball just learning:salut:

I'm proud that Lynn allows discussion of other teachers methods. Clearly, there are MANY ways to play the game, and it's fun to study them all! There are many who follow Mr. Austin, I understand he was very long. Others are also trying to teach that "optimal" swing for distance, ultimately you have to play the whole game, not just create optimal numbers for a tee shot.



That being said, the pictures that scare me on that post are the ones where he is asking that we get our head over our right foot on the back stroke. That one really scares me Brownman. I have become a HUGE believer in the stationary pivot. Not left and more left, but rather the stationary pivot created by the MacDonald Exercises with a little Trolio mixed in.

There is a lot of discussion on other forums right now about what causes the full swing yips, and in my case, the driver yips were cured by getting back to a stationary pivot and the principles and foundation of The Golfing Machine. I would be afraid to get away from those Brownman.

If it is working for you, GREAT. You gotta ride that horse until she bucks you off. If she does, you know what foundation you need to get back to!

Cheers,
Kevin

Austin
 

Fair comments Kevin,points well taken.Ive been bucked off before,got back on with more determination lol.
With the head moving from one point to another and back again I think Tom T spoke of it somewhere,called it moving centres (I think)sure it does move,but as long as it it properly maintained and monitored as it is a particular pattern,and the player is concious of its being,there is I believe room to move (pardon pun)
As far as getting yips with whatever clubs,one can get them anytime day or night,good thing is to be able to sort it through using TGM methodology.
Thanks for input friend..........more the merrier

We are on the same page my friend. When you look at those using a stationary pivot, their head sometimes moves a little. I love this quote from Lynn Blake & Homer Kelley:

:golf:

Austin
 

Homer just about had every box ticked didnt he:salut:

I sure think so, and what Homer didn't explain, YODA has covered. A few years ago we discussed what is now being tauted as a new discovery. Lynn called it managed throw away. Advanced procedure, not for the faint of heart, but could come in handy. You can really see the Pro's working it with acquired motion...

That's what Austin claimed he did and taught. He didn't want the player to thrust the butt of the club downward on the DS, which he called "harpooning". Rather, he wanted the player to manually uncock the left wrist by spinning the right hand clockwise in the plane of the left flying wedge from the top, in conjunction with something he called a "compound pivot". :confused1

REposted the link!
 

Try this link Mr. Brownman

http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/austin.htm

It is interesting. Yoda's Stationary Tripod seems to work very well for me though and I have had some benefit to closing the club face about 10 degrees. I do have an artificial front hip and I think that compensates for a slower rate of hip turn.

ICT

Thanks, Brownman and Guru.
Yes, I'm a fan of Mike Austin and particularly his protoge, Mike Dunaway.

Mike Dunaway, Long Drive Champion, 1990 World Super Long, founder of the 350 club for the world's longest drivers
Mike Dunaway long driver
Accuracy, driving 375 yard par-4 green.
Accuracy, driving 375 yard par 4 green

Before Zenolink and K-vest and TPI there was Mike Austin, PhD of Kinesiology which some have dubbed Austinology.

Before discovering TGM at this site through Iseekgolf and the Guru (a best mate, BFF, talk almost daily) I used first Ballard and then Austin and won far more than my fair share of handicap flight trophys and gift certificates and qualifiers for advanced competition with a good partner.

Whoof, reading the stuff on that link made my head woozy. JeffMann, right? He got some things wrong. A little full of himself.

Let's cut to the chase.

I do not believe the illustration of Mike earlier with weight lines on it is characteristic. No one ever said "head over right foot". Quite the contrary, Mike Austin said his secret compound pivot, a slide/turn and a slide/turn, was the only way to keep the head still. His key was the navel, the center of mass, right foot to left foot, and hit the wall to let the shoulders take off.
The image is one of a pendulum of the pelvic girdle under the 7th vertebrae. They use a lot of knee and foot action in a marking time manner, toward the ball. Jaacob Bowden, long drive competitor, "It's so much easier on my body than the classically taught swing. It's as easy as walking."

Mike was a swinger and turned the entire left arm 1/4 turn to lay the shaft and clubface on plane very early on. "A 5-yr old child could do that." MA Used a muscle at the top of his left shoulder to do it.
That preserves the left wrist shape rather than arching it.
Then he raised the arm to shoulder level and spun the flywheel with the shoulders. He said "Throw it around the circle."
I didn't understand what that meant and Dunaway didn't help much talking about the acceleration of gravity on the club. It just recently dawned on me. Mike was laying off the shaft in startdown which feels an awful lot like throwing it around the circle. You can see it in every swing on this video:

Young Mike Austin
Young Mike Austin
Poetry in motion. Imagine a wrist throw from the Top. Still he's spinning the flywheel as a spoke off the spine axis with the shoulders. I don't know if he added any with the right arm on the way down or not. No evidence, but maybe. George Hibbard thought so as a student of Mike's.

515 yards in a senior event in Las Vegas at the age of 64 with a wooden headed club. Member of Mike Dunaway's 350 club for long drivers well into his 70s until he had a stroke that paralyzed his right side. He continued to instruct as seen on YouTube clips until he died.

Mike was big on measuring to the ball shaking all the wrist cock out first, like Jimmy Ballard. Uncock the wrists with the shaft until you feel a detente, a resistance, bend at the hips until it gets close to the ball but you can't reach it, then bend the knees to finally measure to the ball. Evershed did this also.

Now knowing TGM and Mike Austin's pivot and Zenolink, Scott's a good friend, great guy and I believe everything he says, we could advise an improvement over Mike but along the same lines.
Dunaway said right hip to 4 o'clock, right hip to 10 o'clock standing in the middle of a clock with 12 o'clock on the ball. i.e. on the 9 to 3 line. And "Throw it around the circle".
If Austin is really stacked on that right leg/hip joint then he's lost his ground forces, particularly with a "turn" at the end of the slide. We want internal turning, not external rotation. One would expect that if he was on it very long he'd fall off inwardly toward the target.

So let's change it. I'd focus on the navel, just above the center of mass. The navel should move along the stance line. So keep the head stationary ("7th vertebrae" MA) and move the navel to just inside the right instep. Feel the shear forces building up in the right foot, where Hogan had an extra cleat installed, inside ball and inside heel.
Now move the navel across the stance line to the inside of the left foot where you should feel the ground shear forces build up under the left foot which should be angled out about 30 degrees to receive that force direction. That'll put your hips open about 20 degrees and ideally at impact the shoulders'll be the same. Keep the knees bent both ways.
And that's what I do. I take the grip and all alignments in that impact position with the built-in forward lean of the shaft pointing to the left shoulder to precisely locate the ball for that club.
The right forearm must be thrown or driven right back to this location for impact.

The laid-off shaft does a few good things.
First, it negates any effects of OTT.
Secondly, it promotes the idea that we're swinging on an arc not trying to hit the ball with a square clubface for any distance along the target line on a flat spot in the circle.
Thirdly, it helps prevent throwaway because you can't throw it away until you roll the hands into impact, for instance running out of right arm and quitting.

According to "Smiley" Jones as soon as Ben Hogan got out of the hospital he went to see Mike Austin and they played together at the Bel Air Country Club for a week. Wonder what they talked about. We know Hogan was there for counsel.
Hogan laid off the shaft in startdown, as do many big hitters, like Sergio, Singapore Slinger Justin Tang, ace TGM instructor, and many long drive competitors. Hmmm.

Holy smokes Loren. I've not had any desire to study Mr. Austin until now. Thank you for the education and for fueling the fire. This may be a great learning experience for us all.

Cheers my friend!

Thanks team for another exciting episode in "Options."

Loren, "easy as walking,"just like Yoda has brought to us from Mr. MacDonald.

Great stuff Loren thanks

Does MIke Austin ever fully define what we would call his Release Trigger or Throw. In the one tape called "Golf's biggest Lie" it sure sounds like a Left Wrist Throw as you say. He even seems to demonstrate a Sequenced Release. He maintained he threw it from the top but in film he shows some delay of course.

Homer did say "From Top, Delivery Line Uncocking Prep. Delivery Line Roll Prep ". With the special emphasis on the Roll of course. Sorry if I sound like a book literate , I only mean to point out that his Austin throw out method as I understand it is not inconsistent with Homer.

Only with Automatic Snap Release is there no "starting to hit". See 6-H-0 B. Something a lot of guys miss for some reason when they label tgm.

I personally love his notion of throwing the club out. Throwout not Throwaway being key. With a Roll at the bottom of course. Sure sounds like a Swingers on plane Throwout of #2 Angle followed by a Roll. The Swingers Flail. Reminds me of LYnns hammer video.

Interested in learning more . He hit it long with no thought to longitudinal or snap. My kind of guy. But did he Longitudinal? I suspect he did.

ICT[/quote]

Mike had a feel vs real problem and neither he nor Dunaway did a very good job of explaining.
He also said something else I never could understand, and Tom Tomasello picked it up verbatim, "It's all over in the first 18 inches." We know that clubhead overtaking will start about 60% of the way down but it seems to me that doesn't particularly fit the quote.

He disdained max trigger delay but he also did not throw it from the top.
Definitely #4. Shoulder throw, wrist throw. That's what Singapore Slinger uses, he said, with a laid-off shaft and snap release.
Mike had this idea that he had to speed up the clubhead to catch up with the hands so he could propel it into the mudbank his instructor had him burying the clubhead into as a kid without coming back with mud on his shirt sleeve. (Both-arms-straight follow-through.)
So, I suspect he's helping it with the right arm through the release area and it could be a bell-rope pull. A pressure point for that could be the mating of the last finger of the right hand with the first finger of the left on the grip. 8- or 10-finger grip would be useful for purchase on that, right arm straightening. A four-barrel right-arm swing? Why not?

A couple of things hit me, the steep angle of the shoulders going into release area, Zenolink's recommendation that hips and shoulders be open the same amount at impact, degree not important but ideally about 20 degrees, and how relatively quickly the right arm seems to straighten in the release zone. That could be normal though.
He's also starting the finish swivel right away after both-arms-straight. He definitely has a finish swivel.

Notice how the hips stall in impact fix condition, the shoulders catch up to even and then go past, and then the hips and right foot are drug up into the photographer pose.

Twistaway,-R/hand throw???
 

Really starting to get just a tad confused here,need help to steer me back on course(no pun intended)
Three questions at this time.
1...MA took club back to "a bit inside"on takeaway,this led to shaft being across plane line at top,no worries to there,however,from midway in backswing he is further away from ball to target line,would that not cause a somewhat necessity to vertical lift to the top from midway back,especially when his hands finish above his shoulder height,elsewise,wouldnt he be too flatthus not enabling him to get higher than shoulders?

2..My #2+#3 questions may possibly be closely related enough to be 1 question,
At the top of backswing,does MAs R/forearm rotate clockwise on beginning of downswing which would be the start of the underhanded stone skimming action,could be felt as a "slap",or on the other hand could be felt asif he is preping to get into position to throw clubhead at ball.
Hope you guys can follow my line of questioning,or reasoning.
Thanks in advance Bm

I love the mud bank thing. interesting. Radial is where the power is, Velocity Power as Homer called it. Max Delay may have a mechanical advantage for a given (but often lower) hand speed but you gotta release it . No release , no power beyond your hand speed, no leverage. Like throwing a club vs spear chucking it, throwing it end over end goes considerably further.

Why does the mud bank drill suggest a Right Arm throw to you? Not saying it couldnt be but just trying to follow your logic, Doctor.

This probably isnt the time or place for this but .... It touches on a question I have about right arm swinging or right arm involvement in general. Right ARm swinging is Longitudinal , Rope Handling but can it ever have a Sequenced Release given a Right Arm throw? In other words could you throw out #2 Angle, on plane, sequentially before #3 Roll with the Right Arm/Elbow? Could you alternatively Throw the Right Wrist and get Sequenced (I suppose you'd need to cock the Right Hand to do this) . If you can get Sequenced with Right Side involvement then you open the door to Hogan employing the same, possibly. If you cant then Sequenced points to Left Wrist Throw only. Maybe. Meaning slow mo film of Release Types could be telling or well suggesting maybe.


We're in lab right guys?

Thanks Loren nice talking golf and G.O.L.F with you.

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVws0CQqTDc


This would appear to be a Non Auto Left Wrist Throw. Does it have anything in common with the Mike Austin "power throw". Where is it different? Is it a "powered" throwout albeit in line with what CF would do, or a tipping point deal, a mere trigger to CF throwout. Did Homer describe a "powered" Swingers throwout of #2 angle, an "active" hammering so to speak?

Whatever the heck it is I love it and remember fondly the day Lynn taught it to me (at the Swamp, Bagger was there too as I recall). Id say its primarily a Swingers thing, Left Wrist Throw from my personal experimentation but I have a bud who does it with his Right Hand or so he says, he is for sure more Simultaneous in Release.

Caution, no attempt at editing for brevity. Stream of consciousness follows.

Well, O.B. here's an example where the vernacular sometimes throws us off.
A "throw" is a release trigger whether it has any power behind it or not. Some of them really are "throws." They're usually used two or more together.
Lynn asked Homer "Why do you call it a throw?"
In typical fashion Homer asked "I don't know, what else would you call it?" which is like a lot of the vernacular. What else would you call it?

The left arm is inert. It gets pulled or pushed, it doesn't do anything by itself. The left arm is moved by either a shoulder throw pulling it or a right arm throw pushing it and the club.

Wrist uncocking is entirely CF, there's little advantage in consciously trying to uncock it, for a swinger and it's difficult to time close enough to impact. The hitter's straightening right arm uncocks the left wrist and controls the roll of the hands just to vertical left wrist for impact, no farther. Same with the swinger, the roll control. From then on there is no actual motion of the hands or wrists, it's just keeping the left wrist perpendicular to one of three planes, horizontal, vertical or angled until the left forearm finish swivel as the clubhead gets higher than the hands and the left elbow bends down. Like thumbing a ride to the stars.

What Lynn is demonstrating is a CF or gravity uncocking, and it's in line with the left arm. He calls it a vertical plane of motion. But of course, vertical references only the ground. So we have a little problem finding terminology for a cocking/uncocking motion always in line with the left arm when it's lying on the face of the plane. But that's what is meant. Vertical plane of motion on a slant. Heh. They're never out of line, no matter where. That's the beauty of that. (What else would you call it?)

Yes it is a swinger's move, it's done with CF because that's what swingers do, manage CF and the release must be sequential because you're uncocking on a plane and you're rolling to vertical wrists. The hitter can do them simultaneously and gradually. The hitter manually overrides CF but must be especially watchful for throwaway. It's hard to do. It must be constant, smooth acceleration or CF will take over. A short backswing and you have to wait until the right shoulder and elbow get close enough to the ball or you'll run out of right arm bend and throw the clubhead away. Then you can right arm throw.

Your bud may be hitting. But if he is swinging with the right arm it is a swing and is done with the shaft turned onto the sweetspot plane so it must be sequential release. And he's using a "pitch elbow" down in front. Tom Tomasello demonstrates a right arm throw on plane with a "wrist throw" we'll get to in a minute. I have a right arm swinger who delays the release and really whips at it. Hits it a long way but self-taught. Admires Retief Goosen, naturally, who's said to be a right arm swinger.

Mike looks to me to be a normal swinger with delayed release of a shoulder throw combined with a wrist throw, who lays off the shaft in startdown. As I said, that certainly gives you the feeling of throwing it a round the circle and Mike had a feel vs real problem.
If he's adding right arm into impact it may be a hit or a right arm pull but he is sequential release. He did not go into details of why he said throw it around the circle.

A swinger normally uses a shoulder turn throw and when that acceleration subsides the left arm is thrown off, with either a wrist throw or a delivery path throw if the wrist throw is too difficult to time (automatic at end of hands' delivery path, a snap release).
The hitter uses a right arm throw and delivery path throw, not a wrist throw as it's sequential.
Defs:
Hand Throw from the top, very hazardous except for the most well-educated hands, includes any hands-only putting stroke.
Right arm throw, a hitter's throw but not exclusively. TT used it for right arm swing which is similar to a hitter except with loosened wrists and on plane swivel somewhere in the backswing, and a sequential release, uncock and then roll to vertical.
Shoulder Turn Throw, swinger. The right shoulder is the last component of the pivot and the first component of the power package. It's the fastest in the chain, building on the feet, knees', hips' acceleration in order. Each have to subside to pass the baton on to the fresh runner. The shoulders pull and throw the left arm, down and then out.
Delivery Path throw, wherever the bottom of the arc of the delivery path (hands), long or short arc triggered automatically. Used with either right arm or shoulder turn throws.
Wrist Throw, the right hand remains palm up to the plane until release for a sequenced release, automatically or triggered non-automatic by initiating hands roll early before the end of the delivery path line.

That's it. Don't know what Mike Austin really did except he got his right shoulder very low (which should be aimed on the turned shoulder plane right at the ball) and he kept his hands at the right shoulder for a very long time. That to me is delayed release, because the right arm controls roll into vertical for impact, tethered by the left arm, and the right arm cannot straighten until the hands leave the right shoulder..
So aim the right shoulder at the ball and keep the hands close to the right shoulder as long as you can if you want to swing like Mike. Pivot provides balance and clearance and all motion must start with the hips.

Nice one. Thanks

Re 3. There is no "Left" Wrist Throw in the book, true. But I think its implied. Lynn often refers to a "left" Wrist Throw when Swinging. Not sure if Homer had sub categories to the Wrist Throw (roll vs uncocking) in mind or if he may have talked about it at any time. I suspect he did. Anybody know for sure? But believe you me there is a Left WRist Throw.......I suspect you know that and are pulling my leg.

Re 1. Please expand I really want to know about Austins throw, especially if its an X classification as Homer would call it. He acknowledged the existence of as yet undefined throws. He sort of collected them, asked good players about their throws or triggers.

Re 2. So Lynn is Hammering but not "actively" hammering or uncocking #2 is that what you mean? That its still a CF throwout of #2, on plane, but induced or triggered by a hammer like trigger , a tipping point type throw. Loren does Mike Austin power his Swingers Radial Throwout.... a powered flail if you will?

I love the Throws , they're the heart of the swing to my mind but so hard to talk about unless you share a common lingo. One thing is for sure , however Mike Austin did it , it worked.

ob.

Thats a very classical line of thinking consistent with TGM as written , nice stuff. I think there is some, perhaps not often discussed middle ground however, as you no doubt know. The Hitter who drags loads in Startdown and uses a Shoulder Throw for instance. Luke does this I believe. Or the Swinger who Rolls early and Overlaps his Release somewhat. (Some who do this think they're hitting actually. Sure feels like it but its not Hitting as defined by Homer anyways.) I agree with everything that you've written but just want to point out for the folks reading along at home , that Sequenced does not define Swinging , Right Arm Throw does not define Hitting necessarily etc etc .. I know you know what I mean, Loren. No attempt to correct you intended.

Shades of grey. Someone asked Homer once if a Swinger could employ the Angle of Approach procedure . His reply: "No .....well yes but they'd have a lot of compensations to make. But why would they want to do that?"

So along this line of thinking, call it the Lab or the looney bin..... I think the Wrist Throw, 10-20-E could include an active throwout of #2 angle , on plane , in line with what CF would normally produce with the Left Hand Turned to Plane , Sequenced Release. Either that or I got an entire afternoon with Yoda all miscombobulated. At no time did we discuss the early or late Roll of the Left Wrist, Non Auto version as written in the book. 'Course I didnt need that lesson being Random Sweep and doing it already.

If Im right on this (I am open to suggestions to the contrary) then Mike Austin's on plane radial throwout of #2 angle if thats what he is doing, is not far away. We may never know due to the feels vs reals thing.

The Swingers " powered" over riding of CF but inline with CF throwout ..... maybe its just a feel , yes I can see that as possible Loren.

Fun stuff to throw around. Its been on my mind for a while now. Thanks Loren.

P.S ever notice how M.A. talks about 'unfolding the right elbow" .... Lynn would like that one I bet.

Found it finally. I dont know about the biggest lie stuff but the rest I like.

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqKdoBVYQ9E

Forgot about CF, din' he?
Don't think he needs to worry about the clubhead catching up.

Sure, O.B. do anything you want. If you uncock the left wrist manually you'll take out the #3 angle for roll power, which will make for faster hands in transfer power but lose some leverage.
Play around with it, sure.

I studied and played the Leslie King left arm swing method for a couple of years.

Thanks Loren the pleasure was mine.

If the left wrist is level at Impact (on its way to full extension) assuming a grip type that doesnt zero out the #3 angle why would there be a loss of #3 angle?

Cheers.

puck releasing
 

Gents,if I read the writings here,(you guys get deep)do i read Loren right in him saying he, Austin, "forgot about CF'when talking about catching up in release,wouldnt Bradleys "puck release"be a stand in,or replacement for deceleration if in fact he did actually use Puck Release.........hope you guys follow me,I DONT lol:eyes:

If by throwing the wrist cock you get a fully uncocked left wrist, not level, the #3 angle goes to zero. Just like Basic Motion. Take the #3 out with either a palm grip in the left hand or fully uncocked left wrist, not level, uncocked. Zero #3, no radial power. Necessary in chipping.
I show people this they are totally awed by their new chipping prowess. One guy holed one immediately.

Thanks, Brownman.
It's the advantage in communication of having a common vocabulary.
With enough detail comes understanding and confidence. The mystery of the golf swing disappears. You can quit chasing tips, start analyzing the action and be skeptical of the words.

Accelerated momentum caused by centripetal force (centrifugal inertial acceleration) is very powerful stuff reaching a ton of ft/lbs of force and feeling like 110-120 lbs in the clubhead.
It's going to overtake at the slightest slow down. You don't have to try to make the clubhead catch up with the hands. Quite the opposite, you have to keep the hands ahead of the clubhead.

What Mike is really trying to do is execute the roll into impact before the clubhead overtakes and makes it meaningless. He's afraid of leaving the clubface open with an automatic snap, same as Tom Tomasello. If you don't get to both arms straight with a suitable hinge action, you've lost your lag. And you can't make it happen. Gotta get rhythm, and it's different for swingers and hitters.

So he's straightening the right arm early, about right thigh location or entry into the release area. It could feel like pressing down on a table top like George Hibbard described it.
The amount of force he would use determines if he's adding right arm power to a swinging stroke. Homer said "You could do that, but why would you?"

But it's in the book under 2-M-3 Muscles "Only with the driver must(?) you use both Pivot Thrust and Power Package Thrust for lack of a longer club."
So a hitter would add shoulder turn (like Luke), and a swinger would add right arm. MA was a swinger.
And only with the driver. Those are 4-barrel strokes.
Direction might be a problem. And it's not the legs and hips, Tiger, et al.

Now that O.B Left has made a great find of some video, I think we've just about got Mike Austin figured out.
If he says "Throw it around the circle." right away we ask "With what?"
If the answer comes back "Whatever you got." then it's pivot, shoulders. It's likely he means no plane shifts, and a laid-off shaft.
If it's "hands" we'd have to keep in mind Homer's admonishment "No part of the power package moves independently of any other part."
That's "connection", if you will. Done with extensor action in TGM.

So it looks like a wrist throw that's been turned into non-automatic by manually triggering the roll prior to reaching the end of the hands' delivery path, the bottom part of the reverse "J" in the hands' path. i.e. automatic, almost too late, but not likely with the acceleration of the clubhead coming at it. Unreliable, though.
Mike was probably adding right arm thrust on entry to the release area.

(Have no idea what a "puck release" is. Sounds like hitting.)

Here's a Yoda post from a while back that may be relevant to the Mike Austin "Biggest Lie " video.

Homer did say: From Top ....Delivery Line Uncocking Prep. Delivery Line Roll Prep. (Accent on the Roll). That is the intention although there is Delay. Stimulus Response time being what it is.

(I would've thought the "uncocking downwards" was more a Non Auto Throw..... interesting)

For those of you who havent goofed with the Left WRist Throw Im trying to describe here, take a look at Lynn's "you arent going to believe it" comment. You're missing out on something. And I think Mike Austin is touching on it.

I dunno. "TGM is all about holding on to angles" ......my Aunt Fanny.

Austin
 

Thanks Loren,great post again , here is link for"puck release"
also ,as you will see called "slap hinge".
They apparently use it ice hockey,described like ..hitting puck so hard they would try to break the ice....

http://perfectgolfswingreview.net/austin.htm

scroll down page,its under hand,or wrist release section.
I think somewhere in my scribbling at the beginning,I may have mentioned that when I began to hit ala Austin,I felt as if I was vertical hinging to a degree...........turns out I was slapping like puck release.......for me,its a very interesting concept,probably not for everyday golf,but I did enjoy the length
Again,thank you Bm
By the way,thank you to innercityteacher for providing me with the link...

Yes, O.B., that one has bothered me ever since I first ran across it.
I didn't want to bother Yoda with a PM on it. Unclear on the concept.
What's the difference between that and Tomasello's right arm throw?

Perhaps Yoda will jump in here to straighten things out. Perhaps not. I highly recommend you give the Non Auto Left Wrist Throw a try though. Here's a video that might help with its Alingment to Plane . This could be Auto or Non Auto but I love the DTL point of view and that little Throw .... Great drill , maybe the best drill to my mind anyways.

http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfdsXK06EGA

Mike Austins "power throw" was right sided? Is that right? Didnt know that. If so that'd rule out the Left Wrist Throw for him. Right Arm Throw unless there's such a thing as a Right Wrist Throw (out of #2 angle)?

Heh, O.B. now you're pulling my leg.
We're not talking Gary Edwin now, and otherwise "right-sided" is a meaningless term.
Right arm throw is either a hitter or a right-arm swinger, not Mike Austin.
He didn't specify the answer the question "Throw it around the circle? With what?"
But we can see with what in his swing sequence pictures. The right shoulder.

A left arm throw? With what? The left arm is inert. The left arm throw is a shoulder throw whether you think right or left shoulder.
You can uncock the left wrist anywhere you like as long as it's on plane and it doesn't go fully uncocked, because then you're zeroing out roll power.
May as well use a palm grip in the left hand also if you do that.
The Yoda video of going down at the plane line shows nothing of any wrist action, uncocking.

Go back and read the definition of "wrist throw". It's a release trigger, not a power source.
And it has to be planned no later than Top on the downswing.

Mike Austin used a Shoulder Throw, with (right) wrist throw, non-automatic because of conscious effort to start the roll before the end of the hands' path by straightening the right arm. And that has to be started or planned for well in advance of the actual action. Whether he actually used it for additional power is moot, i.e. pushing on the inert left arm.
Furthermore, if you're not close enough to the ball so that you still have enough right arm bend to get through impact and low-point, you run out of right arm and inevitable clubhead throwaway.

Get the right shoulder Down, preferably on plane.

I had a bit of recreational prac with it today,it was definetly feeling as if it was non-auto release due the concious effort of R/wrist "action",unsure but time will tell if it stays non-auto release or it will be automatic when the mind can settle on it one way or the other and it can be trusted.
Thank goodness we still have our "normal " swing

B-T-W I sent you an e-mail Brownman.

It's not right wrist action, it's right arm straightening to induce the hands' roll.
Power from the right arm could have been used by Mike A. at the same time. Who knows?
See the response to O.B.

Well, I held my nose and went to JeffMann's site and he reminded me of something Mike Dunaway said about flippin' the left wrist precisely into impact.
With the 1-ton freight train coming into impact that is accelerated inertial momentum any thing you do with hands or wrists at that point has no or minuscule effect. And you can hurt your wrist doing that.
The roll power already being used is "the fastest move in golf" (Trolio) and has some real power of the #3 angle going for it.

We only heard it from Mike Dunaway and neither he nor Mike Austin actually did it.

So don't do it, you'll just screw up the direction control.

If you want to try an A.J. Bonar immediate Finish Swivel over the top of the ball keeping the right wrist bent, I got no problem with that.
Mark Evershed teaches it, TheDart (or PHart, familiarly) loves it and uses it in instruction.
It's the feeling of an overspin ping-pong drive, but it actually happens after impact.
If before, you'd drive the golf ball straight down into the ground, at best.
(Maybe you could get buried-lie relief.)

Dart sez "When you start hooking it you're almost home. Fix that by altering the delivery line a little right, a little more right, a little more right until the ball flight straightens up and then incrementally bring it back to square."

Cheers.

i didnt get email.,and thanks for reply,nothing to worry about Austin,it was something i looked at..........its not for me lol

Loren I read one of the links above to a research paper which referred to Austins right sided throw. Not being familiar with the body of Mike Austin stuff out there I took it a's fact. Personaly a's I've previously stated I'd venture it to be a wrist throw a Left Wrist throw a's I hear him describe and illustrate it in his Biggest Lie video. Who knows though!

I believe if you look again at Lynns wrist cock and startdown waggle videos you can clearly see his throw release trigger a's being an uncorking of number two on plane down plane and at the base line followed a roll. But the trigger is uncorking. In application you could if you wish use a shoulder turn left wrist throw in combination. Further more I believe Lynn is demonatrating Sequenced Release. 2 then 3. The roll being at the bottom long after the triggering of Release. The swingers flail the swingers main concern.

I've seen Lynn walk a line of balls Melhourne style non stop motion alternating hitting and swinging. The difference in the two being heing the throw he employs .... Left wrist or Right Arm. Any reasonable golfer with educated hands could do this. Two different flails if you will. Sequnced and non. Active left wrist and active right elbow.

Thanks love talking throws with you.

I'm not pulling your leg. If you're auto snap then great if not I recommend you try this non auto left wrist throw Lynn is describing. Assuming you're a swinger of course. It called a throw and it is a throw , a throw out of #2 angle down plane and at the base line. Thowout is not throwaway. It seems like it'd promote an earlier release but with training it can get surprisingly late. All the way to Non auto Snap. The last stepping stone prior to Auto snap.......gotta adjust the aiming point to get there most likely. Can't hang on to anything .