Is Right Arm Thrust a SLOW motion?
 

I am a Swinger. But I want to learn how to hit.:)

Unfortunately, I find that not at all easy to do.:crybaby:

When I am Swinging, I have a nice Pivot, my mind is in my Hands and my Pivot does all the work (as Ben Doyle likes to say). Beautiful.:happy3:

But when I am trying to hit, a voice inside me says: "Hit the ball hard with your right arm." When I listen to that voice, my mind is no longer in my Hands. It is in my Right Arm. My Right Arm moves fast, even violently. And my Pivot on the Downstroke is poor. The stroke feels somewhat powerful, I guess, very Right Arm. Like a lot of hard work. It does not feel controlled. Awful.:(

Now, 10-19-A says that for Drive Loading you should have a slow Startdown and that Clubhead Throwaway with Drive Loading is usually due to over-acceleration.

When I try to thrust my Right Arm in a SLOW, deliberate manner (consciously trying not to exceed the RPM of the Pivot), I can have my mind in my hands again and I am able to perform a nice Pivot even with Drive Loading. But that stroke does not feel powerful to me. I does not feel like "firing" the Right Arm at the ball. It is more like a heavy, steady force. The clubhead moving through space does not WHOOSH. The clubhead moves in complete silence to Impact. No noise that I would associate with velocity.

Is this how Hitting is supposed to be? A slow, deliberate right arm thrust (even through Impact) with a silent clubhead?

And where does the Power in Hitting come from? The Pivot? Or the Right Arm?

might the problem be coming from thrusting too soon ? might you be running out of right arm before impact & losing the lag pressure in pp3 ?

Where's your head at man (said in a pretend doper's voice)?
 

Hitters need to establish a Stationary Head at Impact Fix and leave the head there. And, Hitters (based on watching Lynn's many videos) set up Hula -Left (weight on the left side), Right Forearm Takeaway with Extensor Action keeps the Power Package united while the head is stationary.

Slowly tilt your axis back to trigger the Hit. Try not moving your arms and hands and leading with your tilt. There must be a distance between your Tilt and Hands for a Lag to be created then maintained.

And I just learned this stuff this week so if I'm wrong, remember, I am not Lynn, nor Daryl, or OB, or an admin nor a pro contributor. :)


Here is a great video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1y2fH0ooCoQ


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Brown Shoes In a Tuxedo World -- But Gettin' Blacker All the Time!
 

But . . .

Did you stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night?

:laughing9

I know how Kevin feels.
 

KevCarter is a humble guy and a good PGA teaching Pro. He reserves the right to be wrong. I like that example. :)

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Them and Us
 

Hope you didn't take my post personally, ICT. I was picking up on the tone -- "less than expert" -- of your own.

:smile:

All of us start golf as a beginner. Most of us remain a beginner. We decide -- consciously or otherwise -- that "Hey, this is not for me" and walk away. Wonderful! Carpe diem and best of luck on your new adventures.

:salut:

Others hang around and just "have fun". That's the purpose, right? After all, golf ain't "world peace"! Those who can keep it on that level -- little effort, little result, lots of fun -- enjoy a pleasant recreational experience. (At least so I'm told. :smile:)

:golfer2:

And then there's the rest of us.

&B

:occasion:

Lynn, I was pleased that there were no glaring mistakes pointed out by my superiors. As for my lowly status, better to be a gatekeeper in the Kingdom than seated at the first table in the bad place. The old Renaissance formula for something of value was "light and heat" meaning instruction with amiable feelings. That's my goal. Like you, I am mystified when people slam HK or another instructor rather than deal with what they actually taught or wrote or at least ask questions.

If I was afraid of being publicly corrected on any subject, I would not wander out in public. That also confuses me about HK's critics. They want to play in the middle of a busy street and not get interrupted by heavy traffic, or they then get upset.

They are over-indulged children.


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Tim, ICT,

Thanks for your ideas. I will try what you suggested.

I have watched Lynn's video many times, but I do not really see his weight on the left side on the backstroke.

I guess the trouble I am having with hitting stems from the (maybe mistaken) belief that you somehow need to make up for the missing centrifugal force by speeding up the right arm. On the other hand, you still need rhythm. So the right arm must not "overtake" the RPM of the pivot, right?

What do you guys think of this sound issue I mentioned? Do you feel that the clubhead makes more noise with swinging than with hitting?

hey Par, first up... you know i'm no authority don't you ? just trying to find my way like you & only been at LBG a few short months.
my thoughts fwiw ref the sound..... with hitting we are usually employing an angle hinge rather than a horizontal one so that may account for some reduction in the swish sound but Lynn demonstrates hitting & swinging in the video section as equally effective & all the ball knows is clubhead speed & compression (right ?) so a good hit stroke has to be producing similar clubhead speed to a good swing stroke.
so if the above is correct, i guess that leaves us with learning how to thrust the power package so that it generates as much clubhead speed as when we swing it.
i think most of us start golf swinging the arms, so it is natural that it might take quite a bit of learning & to become decent at hitting. there is obviously power to be had from that punch motion in hitting if we think of boxers generating the huge power they do or those martial arts guys who punch bricks etc.
interested to hear how you get on

How to be cool at golfing school!
 

All strokes, sir, are to be heavy and deliberate (except in Swinging and even then just a little quicker). Extensor Action gives the stroke it's heaviness, while the Axis Tilt starts the Hit down the Plane. Then, I believe you extend your right arm or elbow where the right forearm's alignment was set at Impact Fix and through following to Both Arms Straight and then the Finish Swivel. You aim your forearm and fire it being very careful to fire the arm/elbow and not the Bent Right Wrist. Keep it bent until you get to finish by the instrumentality of the Finish (not Dutch) Swivel! :)

You must let your Pivot work from the top though, or you will not create the necessary LAG in time and space to turn your club face into a wrecking ball. You are creating sort of a two stage rocket with Pivot being stage one and then, once you feel the LAG on your # 3 PP, you fire it into the track established by Impact Fix.

If you do this well, you will have more friends and be popular. Some people in PA, GA, MN, IL, and New England will welcome you around their campfire on a cold, dark night. You will here a rifle shot sort of impact sound. You will achieve "coolness" and you will feel better about God and the life he has given you. You will make friendly wagers and win several giving a portion of the winnings to your family, the poor, and a higher yielding CD! :laughing1


Keep your weight left at Impact Fix which should be logical since you are simulating the club having gone down through the ball on your way to Both Arms Straight, and keep your head Stationary at the Impact Fix point while you RFT to shoulder height. RFT feels like picking the club straight up and moving it over your shoulder. Watch any Fred Couples video as well as Yoda and Ted Fort videos, here on this site.

If you are strongly interested in this procedure, then send a PM to OB Left and Daryl, or Bagger or Yoda or JerryG or KevCarter. They are helpful and wiser than I.

As always, I am the lowest instruction-offering newbie on this site. "No,I am Spartacus!"

This is a good video.

http://lynnblakegolf.com/index.php?option=com_hwdvideoshare&task=viewvideo& Itemid=85&video_id=96

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I have been amazed at how far I can hit the ball with what feels like a painfully slow right arm thrust (and conversely how screwed up a shot can get when I thrust "fast" -- which probably means "early").

A lot of times my swing thought is "slow, heavy, deliberate"...

I think it works because of mechanical advantage of the club still whipping through from left wrist uncocking and release of the lag. I'm still studying.

Also, remember, it's even hard for a trained eye to truly tell if someone is hitting or swinging, so the "speed" of the thrust may be more one of feeling.

Sounds like it's worth the effort.:laughing9

I find your explanations extremely helpful, ICT. As for the weight left issue I might have misunderstood your first post. Of course the weight will be favoring the left side at impact fix (at least if both the body and the hands are in impact fix). I understood you were suggesting it should stay on the left side through the entire backstroke.

Yeppers, that insight took me about 4 months!
 

Yes, that's my meaning. Of course the RFT will move the entire Power Package since it bio-mechanically has to. It will cause a slight shift but by staying left, your back hip is out of the way, as Daryl explained it to me, and your back shoulder moves more easily down plane. (My hips are messed up due to old foot ball injuries so some of my understanding is abstract.)

Par 71, there are other sites with some pretty cool graphics like Iseekgolf.com and Golfmachinist.au. I have looked at lots of sites and gotten different perspectives on all things TGM, but LBG seems to be the most faithful in explaining the correct bio-mechanical relationships necessary to have a very effective golf kit. I'm glad I can help you but I am really on the practice squad, not quite the JV (junior varsity for our foreign friends) team.

I would use our search engine and look at everything you are interested in through Lynn's perspective. Good Luck! Let us know what happens! :golfcart:


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City,
Earlier, you stated we were gatekeepers. We are the gatekeepers whose mantra is "Welcome." We stand at the gate to not only greet, but to also invite.
I recently told the story of the guy standing next to me at the dome who asked what I was working on. I very lightly mentioned things like "steady head", "bent right wrist," "flat left wrist" and the like. I asked what he was working on. He stated "supinatin' and pronatin." When I asked what he meant, he said he wasn't sure. Nice lessons, eh?
None of that baloney here, though. I invited him with a reference to this web site. I made it available. I did not drag him kicking and screaming, though I should have. I did suggest a lesson with someone who is a Friend of Homer's. He didn't pick up on it. I am afraid he is destined to wander in the desert for awhile. There is that readiness factor, you know.
Point being, if I may try to make one, this is the place to kick it around and get Positive feedback and Constructive information. Short of being on a nice golf course, this is my nirvana.
Speaking of nirvana, it was -22 deg.F here this morning when I wandered off the estate to my place of servitude. Should be nicer out tomorrow getting up into the single digit +'s.
Peace, brother.
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Wandering out in public, again!
 

The last two weeks at my indoor golf league, with my 10.9 hcp. I shot an 84 and 79. Tonight with the help of my friends ...............

JerryG ......firm right wrist, good crab dip and going back to my bullseye putter
KevCarter .....Cool clubs, how to turn my left hip left, and the fried Chicken basket
Daryl.......Pivot, firm left wrist. lots of cool pictures
OB Left....Delayed Hip Turn and right shoulder throw, Shaniah Twain
Yoda......Stationary head, RFT, EA, Vertically Un-cocking Left Wrist, Finishing Swivel and how to write posts....

my Aunts Ramona and Belle......



I shot a 73 on a par 70 (a 63 with my hcp.) with 4 birdies, avg. 176 yards per drive. I hit a lot of Wedges within 8 feet. I know it's only a simulator but it was 12 degrees outside!
:golfcart:


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Way to go DUDE!!! :salut: :salut: :salut: :golf:

Hmm? an "EASY" setting?

It was an embarrassingly easy setting!
 

Check my updated post Daryl for the PROPS I owe you. Hey, the guy who drives the ball 350 yards was + 9 last night so it is just what it is, no less and no more. And you know what? If I keep my head still and use the correct alignments, on the real courses I play, and when I drop a natural sub par on my friends, it'll still be just what it is for that moment, no less and no more.

I could not have done it without your help and the nice people at LBG. And there are about 90% of all golfers who will not do it unless they come here to learn.
:golfcart:

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I'm not done yet, Daryl.
 

I don't care if I have to yank out this artificial hip and throw a new one into the slot, if that's what it takes. I'll find out why my club speed is so damn slow, fix it and get faster and better.

The speed chain is my February golf purchase. Wear out don't rust out, n'est pas?


All the great golf teachers got to the point where they sat down to teach in their 80's or so. Lynn will still be standing, I believe, but I won't mind sitting in the shade while I hold forth and shoot my age or better.

:dance:



ICT

I have no doubt that you're improving. Isn't it a lot of fun when you know "what you want to do", "Why" and "How"?

Daryl, I want a Trackman Next Christmas
 

LOL


If I could only discover the approximate second my unmentionable deflected to the left while the first 3 dimples struck the 3rd scoring line, I could really improve!
:laughing9


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