golf channel reveals 4 finalist tommorrow
 

Ive been checking back on the golf channel website to see when they will reveal the 4 finalist. It looks like tommorrow is the day i guess they get voted for from there. i would really like to see lynn on tv it would be great to actually have an instructor on tv that has a total understanding of alignments not just regurgitating all the drills and basics we have heard a million times that havent helped golfers get better. Any inside word on who the finalist are. Or what happens here on forward.

And the winner is.......
 

Looks like there are only 3?

Of those, an easy choice - Martin Hall.

He's been one of my favorites for a long time, with a unique ability to simplify, and a strong background in TGM - including time with Yoda.

?
 

Really! ?




My opinion.
HB

These 3 ?
 

Interesting---both Martin Hall and Karen Palacios-Jansen have been on Academy Live in the past. Was hoping they would actually look for somebody "new". I voted for Martin Hall--at least he is entertaining to watch and is an AI.

I really like Martin Hall, always fun to listen to, and great information. I was really surprised how much I enjoyed Wayne Players presentation. I couldn't stop laughing when he said "Even the French were smart enough to build the Eiffel tower wider at the bottom than the top." Classic. I think Karen does a really nice job as well...

Well, our guys did a great job with their presentations. I'm sure picking the top three was a difficult task. Good luck to the finalists, and the others should feel very proud of the job they did representing us.

Kevin

If not now, when?
 

As an LBG fan; a student of TGM, I am bitterly disappointed. Without wishing to be condescending, perhaps they weren't ready for the true substance contained in the presentations. One consolation is that I can enjoy (and learn) Lynn and Ted's presentations, over and over again.

Now taking off my diplomatic hat -- their choice stinks. :mad: Ah, I feel better now.

TGC did not wish to make the rest of their presenters look so dumb.

Good luck to Martin of course. One of the good guys who could be the thin edge of the wedge if he gets to do 'guests'.

Steel Girders -- Not Needles -- In the Haystack
 

Well, now we see how it's all turned out: Martin Hall, Wayne Player and Karen Palacios-Jansen. http://www.thegolfchannel.com/instru...&emailAddress= I learned last week I had missed the cut courtesy of the TGC's boilerplate 'flush' letter. No biggie, I never expected anything, and the effort was its own reward. Still . . . .

I'm frankly surprised -- mystified, actually -- that Martin Hall is even in the contest. Martin is a huge industry and media presence, and his bio -- as published by The Golf Channel -- correctly states he is already a "featured instructor on The Golf Channel". http://www.thegolfchannel.com/florid...s/martin-hall/ In fact, he has starred on Academy Live on at least four occasions (probably more) and has 64 lessons posted on the TGC website (including these 26 here http://www.thegolfchannel.com/core.a...ch=&x=35&y=12)!

What is this TGC marlin doing in our lowly trout stream?

Not much of a 'search' by the "team of experts" to uncover that elephant!

Martin is clearly deserving of his existing Golf Channel Instructor status. Is there anybody -- anybody?? -- on this site who did not know that Martin Hall has for years (since 2001) been a "featured" TGC instructor? What is with this 'double dip'? I mean, why even bother with a "contest"? At least, why bother in Martin's case? This shameless farce demeans him and embarrasses TGC. Just put him on the masthead -- oh, I forgot, he's already on the masthead http://www.thegolfchannel.com/florid...s/martin-hall/ -- and then get on about the true stated business of "finding" the "next" TGC instructor. If, in fact, that ever was the true purpose!

Don't you love farce?
My fault, I fear.
I thought that you'd want what I want -
Sorry, my dear.
But where are the clowns?
There ought to be clowns.
Quick, send in the clowns.

-- Stephen Sondheim
Send In the Clowns

:laughing9

And, good luck to Wayne Player. Never could find his video 'in the fray' on YouTube, but it's now available for all in the TGC 'voting booth'. He's got a good idea -- gotta get to that left foot! -- but, really, that's a pretty vicious sway he's got working! Gotta give'm credit, though . . . he only mentioned his famous father four times ("my Old Man"; "Dad"; "Gary Player"; and, "The Black Knight").

:occasion:

See Wayne's appearance on TGC, Tuesday, December 7th, and Gary's on Wednesday, December 8th.

:smile:

As for Karen Palacios-Jansen, same story as Martin Hall. She has impressive credentials: 2008 LPGA Teacher of the Year; stints at the McLean and Leadbetter organizations; and is also a recognized Golf Channel Instructor http://www.thegolfchannel.com/north-...lacios-jansen/ (44 lessons posted since her first appearance on Academy Live on January 16, 2001 http://www.thegolfchannel.com/golf-l...h/1/?select3=8. Introduced by Kelly Tilghman more than six years ago (April 20, 2004) on Academy Live as "an old friend to me and The Golf Channel". Despite all this, she's not nearly so well known as Martin. In fact, two days ago her YouTube Instructor Search video views numbered only 363 (now boosted by her selection to 523). That versus my own -- pardon the statement of fact -- at 7,057. Next in line (by my quick survey, but there may have been others) was Jeff Ritter at 4,689.

For the record, here's a list of The Golf Channel instructors published by TGC itself prior to the contest starting. [Click the link and see the dialog box at the right of the page entitled Lesson Finder, then #3 "All Instructors"].

http://www.thegolfchannel.com/golf-l...h/1/?select3=8

Lastly, what is with this "three" finalists deal? Clearly, the contest rules stated there would be four -- that's one more than three :liar:. So, given Martin's and Karen's incumbency, the "hundreds" of the 'rest of us' were, in reality, gunning for just one spot. Tough game!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgdTy...eature=channel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suBGbef5p3g


No sour grapes here. It was a fun experience, even if we never really had a chance. Meanwhile, web sales and private lessons at Lynn Blake Golf are booming . . .

And that's a good thing!

:3gears:

Viewers voting with their pocketbook
 

If your web sales are booming that should be some satisfaction. As I have mentioned people vote with their feet and their pocketbooks!. So all is not lost

I didn't.
"Fore" three reasons
1. I'm just not that smart
2. I dont watch TGC- maybe "the big break" or a non "televised" match .
3. I said 3 but 2 will do- I have tgc as an example here.

Could not resist small moment of levity (very small)

The Bear

Not sure if I mentioned it here but I always felt this contest was a sham to try a represent to the golfing masses that TGC was going search the best of the entire country while having the instructors pre selected. Martin Hall has been on many TGC instructor shows so how can you be the "next" when you are already there?

Same thing for the gal, might be a great teacher but a known quantity to TGC. I don't know Wayne Player but given that someone smart at TGC probably said "is this going to look good?" and then someone had to say "who cares".

I am glad I got to see lots of great videos out of the deal so it surely was not a waste by any stretch but it sure was not what everyone had hoped it would be, a fair shot.

Comedy Night At TGC
 

Just entered my vote for Martin Hall. Upon doing so, I was greeted with this message:

"Thank you for voting in Golf Channel’s Instructor search.
Please vote again tomorrow and be sure to tune in, etc. . . ."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOyI3...eature=related

:eyes:

Yoda hilarious link!! :laughing9 :laughing9 i was thinking it was golf related but laughed my ass off.

i think TGC are an "in-house" organisation. they are missing out on the chance to have some great and real instructors working on their channel and its a great shame that they do not realise it. by god i would give my left arm to work one on one with yoda!

Disappointed but not terribly surprised
 

I'd hoped TGC would've presented us some better choices, but I guess these aren't too surprising, except for Martin Hall. Martin is a good teacher, but as noted in this thread, hardly an unknown that required a search to find. At least one pick was going to be a female, and at least one pick was going to be a personality and/or name, so the other two are explainable. Sure would've liked to have seen a fourth choice that breaks from the TGC mold.

My experience with Karen Palacios-Jansen was about 4 years ago when I attended the Mario Lemieux Celebrity Tournament at a course close to me. Was sitting on a hillside to the left of a par 3, about pin high. Ms. P-J teed off and I lost the ball in the sky. A few seconds later someone yelled "look out". I ducked and the ball missed my cranium by 6 inches. I was 30 yards left of the pin. Oops! But she is very pleasant to follow.....

TGC got cold feet. They saw Yodas and Teds video's and knew they were in way over their heads.

It's not a serious show. It's supposed to be a fun show.

Guest: So, how can I keep the ball lower when hitting into the wind?

Instructor: Lower the Tee and the Ball will go lower.

Guest: Wow, what a great idea. I never thought of that.


OR;

Guest: So, how can I keep the ball lower when hitting into the wind?

Yoda: Relocate the Ball aft in your Stance and re-adjust your 10-2-B grip for straight-away-flight. Then apply a Horizontal Hinge so as not to amplify lift and remember to trace the base line of the Inclined plane because the plane of the center of gravity orbit is steeper than normal. Now remember, the Right Forearm Angle of Approach should return to your Fixed Alignment.

Guest: Ok, does that mean?

Yoda: Ya, Tee the Ball Lower.

Guest: Wow, what a great idea. I never thought of that.

:laughing9 (hey Yoda, ya know I'm just kidding..:) You wouldn't say Center of gravity orbit. You would have said: "Sweetspot Plane" )

Keeping It Simple
 

You give me too much credit. I'm still puzzling over this gem from the Palacios-Jansen video:

"Clubhead speed is what helps us hit the ball far and get distance."

"I did not know that!"

-- Johnny Carson

:laughing9

Golf Channel Instructor "search"?
 

Wanted to respond to the recent selections....and up front...I wanted all to know that I enjoyed the submission process and really enjoyed the work that I put into my entry.

It was a tremendous idea for the Golf Channel to have this contest which inspired many to take the time to enter a submission....and to promote activity on their website. Hat's off to the Golf Channel for the promotion....and it was a success I am sure for the GC. The mere fact that I am making a post is eveidence of the success of their promotion.

However...it was a bit misleading and that is a fact. 4 were to be selected and it was advertised that way...only 3 were selected from amoung the 100's that were submitted. And I thought it was to be 4 new instructors...new faces....etc. Nope...that didn't happen either....with so many capable teachers in this country....how could they not find a new face or two????

It is my observation that this was a huge promowith no respect to the implied intent of the contest. It's disappointing....to say the least.

But....the show must go on!

Sorry Rick, your presentation was first class. You should be very proud of the work you did, and the work all you guys did was a wonderful promotion for LBG! :salut:

I guess that's a pretty selfish observation as all I did was sit back on my ample ass and watch...

Kevin

Did you guys have to agree to anything regarding golf channel being able to use the content of your submissions as they wish? If so, that would make these selections extra suspicious, as they not only got a lot of publicity from this, they have also collected a pretty big library of unique and compelling instructional content.

Gunfight At the TGC Corral
 

Yes, and from the Contest Rules, here 'tis:

"By entering this Promotion, Entrant (his/her parent/legal guardian if Entrant is a resident of a jurisdiction that deems him/her to be a minor) grants Sponsor the right: (i) to post/publish submitted Video on the Website and on air(and any other present or future media in which it is or may be published, including, without limitation electronic databases), or other websites owned, operated by or affiliated with the Sponsor, without further compensation; and (ii) to modify, edit, adapt, and electronically alter submitted Video without compensation or further notice to Entrant. Although Sponsor is granted the rights herein, it is not obligated to, nor does it represent or warrant that any Video submitted by Entrant will be published on the Website or otherwise, or that such publication will be free of technical errors, problems or compatibility issues and Sponsor shall have no liability related thereto."


Then, excerpted from the TGC website's Terms and Conditions:

(B) By posting messages, uploading files, or otherwise providing any material to us for display on the Service, you are granting thegolfchannel.com a royalty-free, perpetual, non-exclusive, unrestricted, worldwide license to use, copy, sublicense, adapt, transmit, publicly perform or display any such communication and sublicense to third parties the unrestricted right to exercise any of the foregoing rights granted with respect to the communication. The foregoing grants shall include the right to exploit any proprietary rights in such material, including but not limited to rights under copyright, trademark, service mark or patent laws under any relevant jurisdiction.

Yep . . .

"Ya got me, pardner!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xSlkO41Y9I4

When you state something about TGC being embarrassed, it seems not. They don't seem to be embarrassed by "Playing Lessons" and most of those, to me, are just plain awful. There is a butcher shop full of meat here at Gallery. They don't have enough meat for a thimble.

Unintended Consequences
 

I think TGC may be in for some negative PR over how this sham "contest" went down. On the other hand, most people probably could care less. We'll see.

:salut:

Submitted my vote but was very disappointed with the choices. I thought Yoda was in for sure.

I guess because most golfers average between 90 and above they wanted something that was very simple.

I think that there is more to it than that Jerry. The 3 selected are regularly programed and featured instructors. I'm not sure that any of them submitted video's before the deadline or before they were selected. Something is fishy. I think that it speaks to the integrity of TGC. A lot of people worked fast and hard preparing what they thought TGC and it's viewers would like to see. What they've done is unethical if this amounts to an "Advertising Event" to stimulate viewership interest and if they never intended to select someone unknown to their normal viewer.

So far, that seems to be the case.

well said, fortunately I thought it had the makings of a advertising event. I think TGC has kinda sold its soul the past few years with what they have done with the programming (Big Break) and this just falls in line with the rest of it.

Lynn's Video
 

I glanced at a couple of the "winning" videos and then briefly looked at Lynn's video. As far as quality of the video production and professional presentation - there is no question who the winner was - Lynn Blake. Quality might not "win" on any particular occasion but in the long run - it wins. If I was recommending buying a stock - I'd issue a strong buy sign.

No Surprise from GC
 

Maybe should have suspected. But golf is for optimists.
A popular golf magazine had a contest last winter/ spring with the prize being a round of celebrity golf just prior to the Open at PB. 50 words on how playing PB will change your life. I entered and was then dumbfounded with the magazines 5 finalists, all being “character” castings with low handicap ( all less than 10, winner was a 6 as I recall) . The result was an “uneventful “ 118 for that 6 HC – I call that 2 and a half boggy golf. The other result was that I resisted the barrage of subscription solicitation, no longer read the magazine, not even in the dentist office and I had to Google to get the “winners” performance score.
It can happen at all levels. Don’t bother with the rules, just divine the intent of the sponsor . Hard to do but less disappointment. There is no joy in Mudville this year

The Bear

In Our Own Winner's Circle
 

Thanks, Mike. Coming from you, especially, that means a lot.

:salut:

As I said earlier, I never expected to win. The odds were low -- hundreds of dedicated instructors across the country giving it their 'best shot' and The Golf Channel delivering its best subjective judgment on several listed criteria:

1. Camera presence;

2. Knowledge of golf instruction;

3. Charisma; and

4. Creativity.

That said, I did expect a level playing field and am disappointed that it simply was not the case.

Was it too much to ask that existing Golf Channel Instructors -- as listed on The Golf Channel website -- be excluded from a new Golf Channel Instructor Search?

Two of the three finalists have numerous Academy Live appearances since 2001 and a combined 100+ video lessons awaiting your download on TheGolfChannel.com.

This is 'new'?

Please.

Ne'er the less, for LBG, it's workin'!

As of November 22, the day the 'search' -- :rolleyes: -- ended and the finalists were announced, my strong YouTube performance (7,057 views) surpassed by thousands those of the three Golf Channel finalists -- combined.

This 'popular vote' has produced a marked increase in our web traffic and sales.

:smile:

For us, then, The Golf Channel Instructor Search "contest" -- :laughing9 -- was, and continues to be, a very positive experience.

:3gears:

The golf channel reminds me of MTV back in the day when it went from music to reality based programs. For example, the Big Break is a soap opera shot on a golf course. It should be called "as the golf ball turns". Frankly, I couldnt watch most of their programming if it was projected onto JLo's rear end. Well, maybe a few minutes. If there isnt a tournament on, they struggle to keep me watching.

Yoda is better off not being involved in their obvious farce. I always likened his entry to Einstein applying for an 8th grade science job in the first place.

you've done it now IH82bogey!

watch out next season when TGC announce their new season programming featuring their warts and all reality show "As the ball turns"

Don't think it won't happen!:sleepy:

i'm a lebowski, you're a lebowski ...
 

How you gonna' keep em down on the farm after they've seen wayne player do the gary player walk through drill ?

Well, as long as you're the Dude....
 

"The Dude shall abide!" Great movie, from one anarchist to another! Welcome Dude!

ICT

"They kept saying they believe in nothing."
 

anarchists ? f*** me , say what you want about the tenets of national socialism , at least it's an ethos !

No, I don't want to #### you. It's nothing personal.
 

I'm sorry, I don't roll that way. And saying that national socialism is an ethos doesn't mean anything. I'd rather have an Alex's Lemonade Stand. I was making reference to the odd group that kept showing up in the movie, "The Big Lebowski." I thought you were, also.

Peace out.


:toothy1:


ICT

"They were Nazis Dude?"-Donny
 

"No man they're nihilists, they kept saying they believe in nothing."-Dude
:)

A lot of people think Dude was a 4 barrel hitter, but he clearly was a swinger and a democrat. You got a good sarsaparilla? :)

Kevin

You make a helluva caucasian Jackie.
 

Sioux City Sarsaparilla ? :)

Yea, I guess that's a pretty good one, isn't it? :)

Kevin