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airair 09-25-2010 12:17 PM

21 important points?
 
Characteristics of all Mechanically and Geometrically Correct Golf Strokes


1 The Stationary Post (player's head) accurately returns the Clubhead through the ball (Centered Arc)
2 The Post may turn (Pivot) but does not "Sway" or "Bob"
3 There is no wobble in the Clubshaft attachment (Grip)
4 The Hinge Assembly controls Clubface alignment
5 The Clubshaft lies full length on a flat. tilted plane
6 The Clubshaft always points to the Plane Line except when they are parallel to each other
7 The Lever Assembly is driven by exerting pressure against it
8 No portion of the Lever Assembly can swing forward independently
9 Regardless of how the Lever Assembly is driven, it moves in a circle
10 The Lever Assembly must be driven through Impact by an On Plane force, (moving towards the Plane L:ine)
11 Clubhead Force and Motion is On Plane at right angles to the Longitudinal Centre of Gravity and varies with the speed, Mass, and Swing Radius
12 Ball speed is dependent on both before Impact and after Impact Clubhead Speed
13 The Clubhead travells Down and Out until it reaches "Low Point"
14 Divots are taken "Down and Out" not just "Down"
15 The Club starts Up and In after "Low Point" but the Thrust continues Down Plane during the Follow-THrough
16 The Plane Line controls the Clubhead Line-of-Flight. Clubface alignment controls the Ball Line-of-Flight
17 The Clubface need to be square to the Line-of-Flight only at Point of Separation
18 Changing the Plane Angle has no effect on the Plane Line
19 Stance Line, Plane Line and Flight Line are normally parallel
20 For any given Line-of-Compression (through the ball) every Machine must produce identical Impact Alignments
21 The relationship of all Machine positions and motions can be described by a geometrical figure

Yoda 09-25-2010 05:51 PM

The 21 Golf Axioms
 
Axiom: n. A self-evident or universally recognized truth.


I just love the 21 points in 1-L. And, I live on their principles every day in my teaching.

Lynn Blake Certified Instructors are required to memorize them and relate them individually to the major concepts of the Golf Stroke. This results in a greater depth of understanding and an increased ability to solve each student's unique swing challenges. They are far better teachers with this skill than without it.


:salut:

jkpassage 09-29-2010 07:53 AM

It's very interesting (and telling) that no instructor I've met can name - let alone explain - these 21 points. While this information can be overwhelming for guys like me, it is essential to move forward. Thanks so much!! Jeff P.

drewitgolf 09-29-2010 10:01 AM

1-L, is for the way you look at me.
 
1 The Stationary Post (player's head) accurately returns the Clubhead through the ball (Centered Arc)
Regardless of Axis Tilt of the body, Tripod with centered eyes.

2 The Post may turn (Pivot) but does not "Sway" or "Bob"
Provides a fixed Head height.

3 There is no wobble in the Clubshaft attachment (Grip)
The Hands are clamps. Extensor Action

4 The Hinge Assembly controls Clubface alignment
The First Imperative

5 The Clubshaft lies full length on a flat. tilted plane
When on Plane

6 The Clubshaft always points to the Plane Line except when they are parallel to each other
2-F

7 The Lever Assembly is driven by exerting pressure against it
(Note: 7 thru 11 deal with the movement of the Lever Assemblies and the Second Imperative)
Pressure is on the aft side of the shaft Pressure Points 1,2,3

8 No portion of the Lever Assembly can swing forward independently
Bent Left Wrist

9 Regardless of how the Lever Assembly is driven, it moves in a circle
Around the left Shoulder

10 The Lever Assembly must be driven through Impact by an On Plane force, (moving towards the Plane L:ine)
Swingers use Centrifugal Force, Hitters use Muscular Drive of an active Right Arm.

11 Clubhead Force and Motion is On Plane at right angles to the Longitudinal Centre of Gravity and varies with the speed, Mass, and Swing Radius
Not Clubface Motion, Sweetspot, Pressure is on the aft side of the shaft.

12 Ball speed is dependent on both before Impact and after Impact Clubhead Speed
Not from effort, but a mechanical advantage. Reference 2-E

13 The Clubhead travells Down and Out until it reaches "Low Point"
14 Divots are taken "Down and Out" not just "Down"
Reference Yoda’s drawings I posted this week.

15 The Club starts Up and In after "Low Point" but the Thrust continues Down Plane during the Follow-Through
No quitting, the right elbow is still bent at Impact and Low Point and continues to Drive or be Driven until straight which is at the end of the Follow-Through (8-11), reference 6-A-4.

16 The Plane Line controls the Clubhead Line-of-Flight. Clubface alignment controls the Ball Line-of-Flight
Both must be monitored. Imperative #3 and #1.

17 The Clubface need to be square to the Line-of-Flight only at Point of Separation
Impact and Seperation are two different points and can be up to 3/4 of an inch in difference.
The Left Hand face down the Angle of Approach at Impact.


18 Changing the Plane Angle has no effect on the Plane Line
The roof can change, but the gutter remains the same.

19 Stance Line, Plane Line and Flight Line are normally parallel
“Normally” being the key word.

20 For any given Line-of-Compression (through the ball) every Machine must produce identical Impact Alignments
Impact Alignments must match the desired shot.

21 The relationship of all Machine positions and motions can be described by a geometrical figure
Everything has a geometric relationship to everything else.

KevCarter 09-29-2010 01:07 PM

OMG, what a post!

Thanks Drew!!!

:salut: :salut: :salut: :salut: :salut: :salut:

Kevin

airair 09-29-2010 01:26 PM

This is exactly what I was hoping for. More enlightenment. Thx.

KevCarter 09-29-2010 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 76536)
This is exactly what I was hoping for. More enlightenment. Thx.

In my opinion YODA has treated us to some of the greatest pictures ever in G.O.L.F. this week, and Drew just treated us to maybe the greatest post. Only on LBG!

Kevin

jkpassage 09-29-2010 10:16 PM

Yes, this is pure GOLD. I had a MORAD instructor - didn't discuss any of this. I had a S&T instructor - didn't discuss any of this. Can't believe what I've been missing. No wonder I couldn't build a proper foundation to my golf swing. Thanks guys!

Etzwane 09-30-2010 07:11 AM

Great post Drew !

mb6606 09-30-2010 03:29 PM

Nice work Drew!!

JerryG 09-30-2010 04:35 PM

Thanks Drew. I needed that. I just saved it in three spots on my computer. I can lose anything anywhere.
It truly is remarkable--all this stuff we learn here.

Yoda 10-07-2010 10:07 PM

Drew Hits 21!
 
Great job, Drew. I went through your synthesis of every point and concur 100 percent. Thanks!

:salut:

drewitgolf 10-08-2010 12:05 PM

Return of the Jedi
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 76875)
Great job, Drew. I went through your synthesis of every point and concur 100 percent. Thanks!

:salut:

Well after all, I was trained by the best :yoda: :) ,

innercityteacher 10-08-2010 12:13 PM

Your post, and avatar of one of my fav comics, made me very happy!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drewitgolf (Post 76892)
Well after all, I was trained by the best :yoda: :) ,

I'm actually looking forward to the winter driving range! So much to work on!


YBGF

nevercrosses 10-12-2010 05:43 PM

2 questions.....
 
Could someone point me to the drawings referred to about the divot in 1-L-14

and

in 1-L-16

What exactly is meant by "Clubface alignment controls the Ball Line-of-Flight"?

Does this mean the shape of the club face at separation controls the golf balls initial direction or how it curves or what?

drewitgolf 10-12-2010 06:13 PM

A Picture is worth a 1,000 words
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nevercrosses (Post 77096)
Could someone point me to the drawings referred to about the divot in 1-L-14

and

in 1-L-16

What exactly is meant by "Clubface alignment controls the Ball Line-of-Flight"?

Does this mean the shape of the club face at separation controls the golf balls initial direction or how it curves or what?

1-L-14 and 1-L-16 are pictured in 1-L. The 21 points explain the picture.
Reference 2-G and 2-D-0, regarding Clubface alignment control for starters.
Initial Direction at seperation unless the Venturi effect has enough time and speed to cause the vectors to scatter.

O.B.Left 10-12-2010 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewitgolf (Post 76524)
1 The Stationary Post (player's head) accurately returns the Clubhead through the ball (Centered Arc)
Regardless of Axis Tilt of the body, Tripod with centered eyes.

2 The Post may turn (Pivot) but does not "Sway" or "Bob"
Provides a fixed Head height.

3 There is no wobble in the Clubshaft attachment (Grip)
The Hands are clamps. Extensor Action

4 The Hinge Assembly controls Clubface alignment
The First Imperative

5 The Clubshaft lies full length on a flat. tilted plane
When on Plane

6 The Clubshaft always points to the Plane Line except when they are parallel to each other
2-F

7 The Lever Assembly is driven by exerting pressure against it
(Note: 7 thru 11 deal with the movement of the Lever Assemblies and the Second Imperative)
Pressure is on the aft side of the shaft Pressure Points 1,2,3

8 No portion of the Lever Assembly can swing forward independently
Bent Left Wrist

9 Regardless of how the Lever Assembly is driven, it moves in a circle
Around the left Shoulder

10 The Lever Assembly must be driven through Impact by an On Plane force, (moving towards the Plane L:ine)
Swingers use Centrifugal Force, Hitters use Muscular Drive of an active Right Arm.

11 Clubhead Force and Motion is On Plane at right angles to the Longitudinal Centre of Gravity and varies with the speed, Mass, and Swing Radius
Not Clubface Motion, Sweetspot, Pressure is on the aft side of the shaft.

12 Ball speed is dependent on both before Impact and after Impact Clubhead Speed
Not from effort, but a mechanical advantage. Reference 2-E

13 The Clubhead travells Down and Out until it reaches "Low Point"
14 Divots are taken "Down and Out" not just "Down"
Reference Yoda’s drawings I posted this week.

15 The Club starts Up and In after "Low Point" but the Thrust continues Down Plane during the Follow-Through
No quitting, the right elbow is still bent at Impact and Low Point and continues to Drive or be Driven until straight which is at the end of the Follow-Through (8-11), reference 6-A-4.

16 The Plane Line controls the Clubhead Line-of-Flight. Clubface alignment controls the Ball Line-of-Flight
Both must be monitored. Imperative #3 and #1.

17 The Clubface need to be square to the Line-of-Flight only at Point of Separation
Impact and Seperation are two different points and can be up to 3/4 of an inch in difference.
The Left Hand face down the Angle of Approach at Impact.


18 Changing the Plane Angle has no effect on the Plane Line
The roof can change, but the gutter remains the same.

19 Stance Line, Plane Line and Flight Line are normally parallel
“Normally” being the key word.

20 For any given Line-of-Compression (through the ball) every Machine must produce identical Impact Alignments
Impact Alignments must match the desired shot.

21 The relationship of all Machine positions and motions can be described by a geometrical figure
Everything has a geometric relationship to everything else.



Nice one Drew , gonna copy this to my LBG file too.

I believe the original post had a slight typo in 19. Should read "Stance Line, Plane Line and Flight Line are normally parallel." I know this is a weird thing for the kid at the back of class to note.


.......Hey its recess...

airair 10-12-2010 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 77099)
Nice one Drew , gonna copy this to my LBG file too.

I believe the original post had a slight typo in 19. Should read "Stance Line, Plane Line and Flight Line are normally parallel." I know this is a weird thing for the kid at the back of class to note.


.......Hey its recess...

You are right. I just copied something I found. It is now corrected in post #1, but I can't correct it in the other posts ...

nevercrosses 10-12-2010 08:33 PM

Drew,

I'm sorry. I don't think I was clear. I was referring to this:

Quote:

14 Divots are taken "Down and Out" not just "Down"
Reference Yoda’s drawings I posted this week.

12 piece bucket 10-12-2010 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nevercrosses (Post 77101)
Drew,

I'm sorry. I don't think I was clear. I was referring to this:

This is the same essentially as the trackman "stuff" . . . if there is a divot the club is traveling down AND OUT . . . period . . . so down is "swinging to the right" . . . the right of "something" . . . maybe not the correct something but to something. Lowpoint . . . ala hulu hoop in the ground.

Yoda 10-12-2010 11:36 PM

All Better Now
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 77100)

You are right. I just copied something I found. It is now corrected in post #1, but I can't correct it in the other posts ...

Done!

:)

nevercrosses 10-12-2010 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 77109)
This is the same essentially as the trackman "stuff" . . . if there is a divot the club is traveling down AND OUT . . . period . . . so down is "swinging to the right" . . . the right of "something" . . . maybe not the correct something but to something. Lowpoint . . . ala hulu hoop in the ground.

Thank you for clarifying.

O.B.Left 10-13-2010 01:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nevercrosses (Post 77112)
Thank you for clarifying.

Down and Out to a degree consistent to the angle of the inclined plane being employed (assuming you are on a plane). The flatter the more out , the less down the steeper the more down and the less out.

There are Angle of Attack, Arc implications associated with plane angles and shifts. So though the actual plane angle being employed may be said to be irrelevant to the measurement of ball reaction its still part of the overall geometry and anything but irrelevant to a golfer, especially one trying to aim his circular clubhead orbit in some manner....unless he choses to trace circles with his clubhead but then he'd need to change that circle for each club , for each ball position, for each release point, for each plane shift etc. Far easier to just use the straight plane line. Or the alternate method the Aiming Point.

drewitgolf 10-13-2010 09:28 AM

Backspin
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nevercrosses (Post 77101)
Drew,

I'm sorry. I don't think I was clear. I was referring to this:

If you haven't already found it...
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...6383#post76383

Post #28

nevercrosses 10-13-2010 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewitgolf (Post 77124)
If you haven't already found it...
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...6383#post76383

Post #28

Thanks again.


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