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Brian Gay Leg Straightening and Newton's Third Law
I posted in the Tour forum: "Why does Brian straighten his legs through impact? I do find this useful in my own swing, but, don't really understand what it is doing for him or me."
Yoda asked me to put this in another thread with the tantalizing statement that the answer is: "Equal and opposite' reaction and its resulting athletic sense." I am very interested in knowing more about what this means. Such as, what is the force(s)/action(s) it is a reaction to? What does it indicate he has accomplished? What are the feels? Thank you for any insights that may lift the fog. |
Here's a couple of other guys for consideration.
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=124054750 2 http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=124054750 2 |
seems to happen real early in brians swing
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Lots of dudes will straighten their legs AND disrupted the motion of their Right Shoulder. The right shoulder location is HUGE in staying on Plane and being able to trace the Plane Line (or selected Visual Equivalent to the original Plane Line). You can see lots of people who do this early AND goat hump it (hips go toward the plane line and spine gets vertical). . . . this disrupts everything and shoots the arms out to the right and lays the shaft down under plane.
If you'll watch Brian you'll note how well he "keeps his angles" as far as his spine and shoulders go. This is a huge piece of controlling the Angle of Approach (Path) . . . Combine that with excellent controll of the face . . . . You post stats like he did . . . . Marinate on this a lil' bit . . . 2-H SHOULDER MOTIONS The point may be made that it is impossible to inscribe perfect circles while the center is in motion – that is the turning Shoulder. The straight line requirements of the Compression Point are satisfied as long as both the Vertical and Horizontal Centers move precisely in unison. Direction control remains stable because both Centers are also moving in a circle – that is, the circumference of the Shoulder Turn. |
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dont go changing
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Yah dont stop, Brian. Straighten those things and wear green pants on Sunday at Augusta, they'll work nicely with a green jacket. |
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I'd say watch somebody like a Snead or Bobby Jones . . . Some of this has to do with Plane Angle as well and the depth of the hands/whether there is a bunch of lifting going on e.g. Furyk . . . . in addition to all that the rate that #4 must release to stay on the selected plane too . . . . and there are probably some assumptions with regards to the "inscribing perfect circles" as mentioned in the first part of 2-H. Pretty sophistocated subject . . . . probably beyond my level of sophistocation. |
"O" no you didn't
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When there's a full moon up that way holler at Mike for me . . . |
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I'm shocked. :boxing: While browsing the Forums, it was said that BG was a Hitter and that Straightening His Legs has something to do with Hitting. If I wasn't so surprised :o I could remember where it came from. I read it just this morning. :BangHead: |
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I think its still unresolved to some degree. There is a Yoda post somewhere on this. If I recall correctly something along the lines of:
-Yoda says he's thrusting, for the most part. "Near as he can figure" -stops at Top with the pressure point staying on the aft of the shaft. -starts from adjusted though, lagging takeaway. -angled hinging -push fade tendency like most hitters -his buddy John Reggier thinks he's swinging. In B.G's first video with Yoda he looks to be really turning his pivot actively through the ball. In later videos he seems to have toned it down a touch. Short, slow and heavy. At least to my eye. Hey different strokes for different folks. I think Larry Nelson has been described as a hitter, from adjusted, that goes to end (across the line at top but along the angle of approach) etc. Im thinking there should be a "who am I" game around here. Yoda lets us in on one component every day until somebody names the pro. The winner getting free access to the free video vault in perpetuity. Only TGM could support this sort of thing. |
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O.B. at least two of us will watch every week. :) |
I think Brian is trying to hold back the right hip as long as possible and you guys are looking at something that might distroy your own swing. This is for Brian and might or probley want work for most!
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We should be able to identify the components and variations he uses. :salut: |
Alignment Golf
Swing or Hit? Do both?
Alignment Golf. :salut: Paraphrasing Homer: 'the ball only goes where it's told'. Quote:
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Who said: “if you teach one to mimic how the pro’s swing that he’ll be a better Golfer”, or something along that thought? That’s simply hogwash. :BangHead:
I was thinking about how/why Brian’s Pivot has less motion today than two years ago. I conclude first, it’s because that’s all he needs, and second that less motion does not mean less effective. (and also because of the greatest G.O.L.F. instruction on the planet) After a lifetime of practice and play, his Pivot can do more work in 1” than mine can do in 6”. Precision and training. If you consider that a professional Boxer can hit harder with a 6” punch than I can with a baseball bat, you can more readily comprehend the value of practice and play over a lifetime. Precision takes out the wobble and will reduce the total motion needed for the shot. It’s more important than power because precision is valuable for every shot in golf. But simply reducing motion will not create the precision that’s earned from a lifetime of dedication. So, the next time BG plays and you hear the announcers say to emulate Brian’s Pivot, reply, “in your dreams”. :naughty: |
Nice one Daryl
You dont need much but you do need some pivot. For all but the non pivot strokes, there must be pivot lag swinging or hitting. I think a lot of guys trying out hitting for the first time have some residual swinging components like a fast turn in start down etc but then dial it down a little which is great, then dial it down a lot which is also good if they dont run out of right arm and then they turn it right off......which is a running out of right arm, throwaway disaster in the making. There is still a pivot when hitting (though it might feel otherwise when coming from swinging). It leads in transition, bottom up, loading the lag pressure point (on the aft of the shaft, if you stop at top) taking up the slack in the left arm, loading the right elbow (as opposed to the swingers left hand wrist cock deal, pretty though it is. I still look at the photos) But all of this is a lot of thinking for the Primal hitter brain who is normally just "me compress ball straight", "me find ball and compress straight again", "me need go bathroom" etc . There is a hitter's high I believe associated with the pressure points and compression, a dopamine release. Golf should be pleasurable after all. Me go hit balls now. OB |
Here's the move . . . . BG is SLAP ON PLANE THROUGH THE WHOLE MOTION . . . . There's not a whole lot that can go wrong here. I know there have been some comments about the leg motion . . . it's different but whatever who cares . . . look at how well the club moves it doesn't waver AT ALL from the plane. I mean some dudes could say yeah it's shifting from the elbow to the tsp. BUT THESE SHIFTS ARE MINIMAL. Stop his hands 1/2 way back 1/2 way down and look at the space they are in at address vs. impact. There's not much movement AT ALL.
Also check how well he " stays in his spine angle " or "torso inclination" or whatever the heck you wanna call it. No bobbing at all. The face is nice a quiet thru the ball. This is ONE SIMPLE EFFICIENT MOTION. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jycQYQcspE |
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Zone 2&3 can be no better than Zone 1. BG has quiet leg and hip motion yet he creates great hip action. Is it Style or a result of Precision? I say precision. Yet, teachers have been pushing for quiet leg motion for years now. Aren’t they confusing cause with effect? |
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