Golf and Hammering Crap
 

EC and I were talking last week about wrist motions and the uncocking and cocking of the left wrist. He brought up something very interesting to me. Look at these people hammering crap. Look at the condition of their left wrist . . . what do you observe? Now look at Freddie and Hogan. What are you seeing? Are there similarities? Are you seeing double wrist action? Are you seeing a natural motion?

If only it were so easy!!
 

It's a pity playing golf as well as Hogan or Couples is not as easy as hammering crap.
:BangHead:

Similar but not the same
 

Bucks,

I see the similarity in the way the right wrist loads, but as for the left wrist uncocking, I am stll in the fog.

Enlighen me, Bucks. I will pay up in moon pies.

UPP in foggy Ohio

Look at the LEFT WRIST . . . . as compared to the right wrist of the hammer people.

too legit...
 

Bucket, here's another photo for your hammer crap thread.

Back in the Day
 

Paying my way through college, I worked as a Framer. We didn't use nail guns and when laying pressure treated 2x8 T&G subfloors we used the heaviest Vaughan hammer we could handle. Usually a 27oz.

Over time I found I could drive 16 penny nails pretty well by setting it with one tap and then driving it home with a single blow.

I distinctly remember the feel as not "uncocking" before impact. :golf:

Well get your college hammer out . . . put it in your left hand and prepare to bust up some crap . . . look at your left wrist when it is cocked . . . describe the condition of the wrist in Chapter 4 terms . . . what is it at Top of your HAMMERING motion????

A Picture is worth....
 

I read LBG for the articles not the pictures :liar: .

I have no problem with a bent left wrist at the end.

Its the right wrist I worry about.
What's yer problem flunky?

Answer the questions Cowgirl. Hammer to the top loaded and ready to strike a nail (or in your case fanger) . . . describe the conditions of your wrist based on Chapter 4 (cocked, uncocked, level, bent, arched, flat, turned, rolled, vertical) . . . . The questions!!!! Focus!!!

You've been taking posting lessons from MikeO haven't you.

From a left wrist alignment standpoint you can't compare a hammer with a big hickory grip, held in the palm of your left hand, with a golf club. But it is good for feeling PP#2. Trick question; Where is PP#3 with a hammer?

Like I said, I don't have a problem with a bent left wrist at the top/end of the swing. For some its necessary.

Oh yeah, I forgot you replaced your Miuras with farming tools.

And besides, the construction worker models in the pictures you posted couldn't put nail through sheetrock.

You still no answer me questionez . . . why can't I compare a hammer and a golf club??? Go home and hold your hammer . . . You don't have a problem with a bent and cocked left wrist because that's how your body works and gets you the shortest radius to accelerate a hammer or golf club or whatever. I believe it is NATURAL. Look at Freddie . . . the club is right in line with his left arm perfectly . . . check out the follow throw pic . . . right in line . . BUT left wrist is bent and re-cocked.

Can be.

Depends on your grip type.

Why don't you grip a hammer where you have your left wrist flat then bootscoot?

Well, Bucks
 

Mr. Bucket,

Are you trying to say that a moderately cupped left wrist is OK?

I think in Hogan and Freddie's case it is an anti - hook action.

Also, please check some of Lee Buck's pix for an argument against.

What is yer point? (please)

UPP in suddenly sunny Ohio

Because I like a PP #3 when I hammer skidmark.

I'm saying that if you make a motion any motion outside of golf that requires that you cock your left wrist . . . you cock AND bend it inorder to achieve the full range of motion. Pick up a hammer without thinking about how you hold it left handed and hammer something. How do you instinctively hold it? How does the weight of the hammer cause your wrist to move? Try hammering something with your left wrist flat and holla back at me.

I think that Bucket is saying that the "flat" that we see from the skin side of the wrist does not necessarily mean that the bony articulation within the wrist joint is in its neutral position.

If you have a lagging force acting on a rope and you pull the end of the rope then the rope will go straight -and it looks straight...

If you have an ON-PLANE lagging force acting on the wrist joint then it too should go into a straight line relationship... in the vertical plane of hammering nails ( assuming you like a vertical nail and are good at hammering) then you have a vertical ON-PLANE lagging force ( hammer head)...

What i understand from Bucket's pics is that these guyslook like good hammering people and the lagging force has presumably pulled their wrist joint in line... but LOOK, LOOK, LOOK at the external appearance ... small cup is apparent...

So it seems that an in line, on plane relationship of a wrist ASSUMING A HAMMER GRIP ( this might not hold for golf grip???) gives a small cup.

Bagger's Quote:
You've been taking posting lessons from MikeO haven't you.

Bagger you're on to me! Live in my body- feel my pain!!!

This may have been mentioned earlier, but, there is difference between hammering with your right hand with a hammer and hitting a ball with a golfclub.

I see the difference as being that with the hammer your right wrist is on top of the handle and with a club it is more to the side.

Here's a different looks at it . . .

One of my favorite photos....used to own a pair of pants like that!!!

on-plane
 

Right forearm on plane v.s left arm on plane.

I'm talking left hand right now . . . but we can talk right hand. I'm talking about cocking and uncocking the hammer but just imagine you're left handed instead of right handed when you drive a nail.

OK Bucks
 

Bucks,

Since when does natural movement and effectiveness in the golf swing collide in the same sentence? If an effective golf swing was "natural" we would not need the genius of Homer or the patience of Lynn, Ted, et al to help us.

If you can see a cup in Lee Buck's left wrist I will buy you a case of moon pies!

UPP in rainy Ohio

Oh I agree . . . I put Lee's up to show that you can do it many different ways and play great golf. However, many people say you gotta be VISUALLY Flat . . . I'm saying that ain't the way your body works. I'm saying that if your joints work that way, why not take advantage of it. You get a full range of motion and it is easier to UNCOCK. Lee Buck is my favorite motion of all time. I think he is as least 2nd if not 1st in ball strikers of all time . .. but he didn't hit it really high. Do you reckon that is why? The Arch? That clubshaft IS NOT in line with his arm. But he makes a motion that is compensatory and could hit any shot he wanted to.

I don't think you'd teach anybody to play that way . . . but if the did it you may not talk 'em out of it either.

I'm just saying if you pick something up like a stick or hammer or whatever . . . your subconsicious kinda has you pick it up with a turned hand. Then when you shorten the radius, you cock AND bend. Because that's the way you was built.

A-OK 12 piece Zinger!!! Got what you are saying and by God you are right!!! But....only, if the "back" of the left wrist is on top of the shaft and paralell to the leading edge of the clubface. In this case when the wrist is cocked there will be a "natural" bend look to it........just like Hogan's.... in some pictures, let's not go there too much.

If the entire left wrist is a bit to the left of the top of the shaft then the wrist will look perfectly flat. I still maintain and no one will ever change this in my mind that....if you hold your hand out in front of you with the wrist verticle, then make a fist....there will be a natural bend....and to some that is flat enough.

It is the relationship of the ARM and the SHAFT that make the difference . . . that is the basis of the flat left wrist . . . NOT the actual wrist itself. If you have a turned left hand and you have to cock and bend to keep the arm and the shaft in line . . . YOU GOT A FLAT LEFT WRIST . . . Geometrically Flat.

Me 'n You is singing from the same hymnal . . . Altogether now . . . SWINNNNG LOWWWW SWEEEEEEET CHARRRRRIOTTTTTTT . . .

Now question for you . . . SHOULD THE LEFT WRIST BE ON THE LEFT SIDE OR TOP?

Holla back . . .

I think the real answer is....it depends on....

But I like to feel the heel pad of my left hand on top of the shaft. The wrist would then be on top and paralell to the leading edge of the clubface.