Ben Hogan's Power Secret
 

I'm not going to step into the middle of MJ's and Martee's Showdown At The LBG Corral (see below in the Physics Topic), but I thought now might be an interesting time for the following tidbit.

As has been mentioned in prior posts, Homer Kelley learned a great deal about the Golf Stroke from studying the photographs in two books of his time, Sam Snead's How I Play Golf and Ben Hogan's Power Golf. He particularly liked Hogan's book because "the photographs were large and I could really see what was going on."

That said, he had little regard for the text because he quickly found that it did not reflect the reality of the photos. A case in point was Hogan's assertion that he gained Power by pushing off his Right Foot in the Downstroke. Homer agreed that the move did indeed increase his Power, but not because of the 'pushing off.' Instead, it was because...

Time for a poll!

all seem to add extra power.But i have gone for the delayed right elbow release.NO. 4

Some great options there.......

It indeed "lengthened" the pivot train, and "loaded" the drag/lag in a HUGE way

serious LEVERAGE from the ground, every bit of the train 'on track' for impact

All Aboard!!!!!

http://www.geocities.com/mpgolf52/hogan.mpeg


After the stopping the action on this slo-mo film of Mr. Hogan. I voted for number five. His hands drop vertical to a low point that is still behind his right knee

Count me in on that one.

6b,

That video is from the Shell Hogan vs. Snead match correct? The weird thing about that video you linked to when he does his "clinic" after the match, that swing is MUCH LONGER than the swing he used during the match to beat Snead like a drum with. His "during the match swing" Backstroke was to Top not to End. He just hit every fairway and every green. Not bad for an old dude with no legs.

Thoughts?

Richard

It is from the Shell, but I have yet to see the video ( [-X my bad). I snatched this from a golf forum years ago. I like it because it is slow motion FILM and you can see the club shaft and his hands. The swing in real time is typical Hogan FAST.


btw: I'm glad Lynn never wrote multiple choice tests when I was a student.

I don't know what option i'd choose but the reason you get extra power from pushing on the ground is the same reason you can jump higher when you squat into the ground to "push off" for extra height.

Its like the difference of a standing in place vertical leap versus one where you are allowed one step and some squat before you jump.

So which option should i choose lol?

But that is the reason Homer says is not what is happening. Any flex in the knee adds additional muscles to "launch" you vertical or horizontal. Adding the thigh muscles would add power over just the calf muscle in jumping or pushing off. Homer and the choices Lynn gives (all sound good- right?) say it is something different.

So... looking up at Clint Eastwood, magnum pointing at me...."So tell me punk, do you feel lucky today?" Ahhh, number 5? No, 1? 2? ????
:D

This Hogan stroke is not the one Homer studied in "Power Golf". This is the swing described in "5 Lessons".

mj,
as i haven't seen either book, how do they differ?

-hcw

I don't know what the answer is . . .

However, I have had that video for a long time. The move Hogan put on the driver vs. the move he put on the short irons is distinctly different. With the driver his hands are deeper and the club dips past horizontal. With the short irons his hands don't get shoulder high (Top) and his finish is shoulder high (Top). In the tape he rips a divot with the 4 wood . . . Yoda's 5 downs confirmed.

Heck if I know . . . but I'm pickin 4.

I do know he was doing something different with the short clubs though.

Choo, choo.....
 

It's #1. The other four are all a by-product of, or are made possible through the properties of #1. (6-M-1) Acceleration of a lagging Component willl cease at the instant it achieves an "In-Line" position with its immediately preceding Component." 'Centers and Accumulators can be sequenced, overlapped, omitted, emphasized, triggered and timed as the players understanding and skill permit. But the club's Swing Radius (6-B-0) ends at the "non-lagging" Component nearest to the Clubhead, The "Centers" of the Stroke start with the Feet or the employed Component nearest to the feet in the following order: Knees, Hips, Shoulders, Arms, Right Elbow, Left Wrist-cock and/or Left Hand Rotation." All so beautifully orchestrated to permit the educated hands to aim and direct the clubhead lag pressure via the right forearm and PP#3 toward the Angle of Approach quadrant of the ball or toward the aiming point.

EC

hcw,

I haven't seen "Power Golf", but it appears tp me that it was more of a pure Swing, rather than manipulated. Here's the old iron Swing -

http://www.megspace.com/sports/moeto...side_clip.html

This is a total guess, but probably 2. I think Yoda is hinting that the right foot rises, not pushed off. The closest moving part is the hip, so the motion would be secondary to the hip motion.

Can't wait for the answer.

Re: Choo, choo.....
 

being somewhat in the middle of the aforementioned showdown on the "hip" side i went for #2, but i like this answer (to be honest, i wasn't sure what #1 meant)...maybe it will end up a "trick" question with #1 being what gets done and the rest being the different ways #1 is accomplished...yoda, when do we get the "correct" answer!?#-o

-hcw

The Answer Man Cometh
 

Sunday!

Re: The Answer Man Cometh
 

i'll be logging on early and often! 8-[

Homer On Ben's Right Foot 'Push'
 

Why did Ben Hogan's Right Foot 'push' produce extra Power in his Stroke?

Because...

It enabled him to get his Right Elbow further past the Ball during Release!

The other four answers will indeed increase your ability to deliver Force to the Ball, but only this one was 'Homer's own.'

Congratulations to the 13 percent who got it right!

But, am I wrong or did I read somewhere, perhaps a long time ago, that Hogan was double jointed, just like Garcia? And would that ability to create huge lag because of this also contribute to power?
Jerry

I don't know about double jointedness, and I can only imagine how his auto accident affected him physically. But as far as Lag is concerned, all of the answers are correct.

But, HK conceived that the further the right elbow traveled before release, more Clubhead speed (endless belt effect) would be developed. So, by geometry (and physics), not additional effort, one can generate more Clubhead speed. ((i hope I got that right)

Instead, it was because of the "pushing against".

hogan power secret
 

Hogan Secret,
It's called 6-M-1.
Hogan started his down swing from the ground up.
He has Physics , conservation of momentum and knew how to load and fire his muscles.He may not of consciously knew he did. Although naturally and subconsciously he did.
Hogan also knew how to move the club around the axis of his spine.

Two things which power the golf swing, conservation of momentum and loading and firing the muscles in the right order. This is physics.
Geometry can't teach you create these two factors. This is why no one can copy hogan.
You have to train your body how to load and fire your muscles and create conservation of momentum.

Yoda's swing is pretty darn close!!!

Where is d. All of the above.

Beauty Contest
 

Actually, broberts, that would be f. All of the above.

:)

As originator of the poll, I was fascinated and satisfied by the even dispersion of answers among our very educated group. In truth, there was no wrong answer . . . only one answer more correct than the rest.

And that one answer (#4) was supplied by Homer Kelley.

:salut:

Sorry I should have said swing and compress the ball like Hogan.
Anyone who truly swings it like Hogan and strikeds it as pure as Hogan would have as many accomplishments as Hogan did.

Why did Ben Hogan's Right Foot help him create extra power... I don't think it did!

I think Yoda as you talk about the left hand being a Nerd, I would say the same for Hogan's right foot. He had the extra spike so the foot did not slip from underneath him always turned clock wise. As you look at Hogan from the top of the back swing he is fully into his left leg and the right leg has straighten. As Hogan starts the the down swing the some of the pressure moves back to the right foot as the knee folds and the hips turn, but is quickly returned to his left side as the left knee pops from hip rotation. If you watch his right foot on most video's it rolls in on the side and raises "pronates". The lateral motion starts the down swing, the low right hip activates the right knee, the right hip covering substains the motion of the right shoulder as a counter balance, and the right foot pronation is the balance point to keep him into his leftside. This my opinion!