Driver Leaking Badly to the Right
 

When using (what I think is) a hitting procedure, I'm having great success hitting very straight and very pure irons. In fact, I've been hitting some wonderful shots all the way through my bag....until I get to my driver, where my ball develops a sudden affinity for the right side of the golf course. When "hitting" the driver, my clubface feels open at impact, is open at impact, and I do not get the same results as I do with my other clubs. I feel like I'm making the same swing, but obviously something is going on here. Any suggestions?

Have you tried a stiffer club? Slightly toe-in at address may also help.

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Hit more 'out' and less 'down' as the club gets longer.

Check your clubface alignment at impact fix.

Lynn has gone into this before, maybe he knows the exact thread. But if hitting the clubface will be more closed at impact fix as the clubs get longer in length.

When I saw Lynn in August, I knew this before but was not applying it. Swinging is a whole different alignment. Shouldn't mix the two!

ldeit

Thanks for the tips, guys. Well, I was able to sneak an hour of practice in between the SoCal rainstorms yesterday, and here's what I did. I experimented with setting up with my clubface open and using Brian Manzella's twist-away move. This made me swing more inside, and, perhaps subconsiously, work to close the clubface through impact. I was actually able to turn the ball over and hit some nice draws, and my leakage to the right was, for the most part, eliminated.

However, I have a feeling I'm venturing into the domain of swinging instead of hitting. Obviously, whatever works, but is it OK to swing my driver and hit the rest of my clubs? I'd rather stick with one swing method throughout the bag.

A number of players swing the longer clubs and hit with the shorter irons. If you are good enough to know both well, it's better for you.

Swinging seems to allow for more distance, because you are using the long radius of your left arm and shaft as a lever that amplifies centrifugal force. But with the swivel of the grip, there seems to be an added possibility of wobble.

Hitting seems to a more precise procedure. Setup at impact fix, take it up to the top and then back down. Distance is limited to how strong your muscular right arm thrust would be.

Swinging a driver would be fine. The amount of leeway is greater in finding a fairway, and distance is what's wanted. Hitting short irons would probably be better as accuracy is more key than making your PW go 150 yds. Just my 2 cents.

C.Evans also...
 

See the new C. Evans mini-video's series on his site, also describes a grad. closing on downstroke for hitters.

he has a bunch of very nice little vid. segments--

Re: Driver Leaking Badly to the Right
 

The thing that I see most of the time is bad rythm. If there's ANY attempt to add more force to the driver, the body might rotate a little too far. For hitting (4 barrel), the startdown is the same as swinging. Then the right shoulder must become the hitters' platform. If the right forearm is not allowed to pass your line of sight, you are left without the proper overtaking. You can hit it off the planet to the right if the startdown is too fast or the overtaking doesn't take place.

I use this explanation a lot in my own teaching. Imagine a door closing around a hinge. You don't close the door by moving the wall (turning your body). You close the door by moving it around the hinge. Imagine the hinge pin being the left arm, not your spine. The club passes around the left arm (the golfers' flail). If the wall continues to move, the door has a really hard time catching up.

I'd bet a LARGE sum of money that this is your problem, simply guessing by description. Seeing it would surely help.

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[quote="YodasLuke"][quote="Jazzyshan"]The thing that I see most of the time is bad rythm. If there's ANY attempt to add more force to the driver, the body might rotate a little too far. For hitting (4 barrel), the startdown is the same as swinging. Then the right shoulder must become the hitters' platform. If the right forearm is not allowed to pass your line of sight, you are left without the proper overtaking. You can hit it off the planet to the right if the startdown is too fast or the overtaking doesn't take place.

I use this explanation a lot in my own teaching. Imagine a door closing around a hinge. You don't close the door by moving the wall (turning your body). You close the door by moving it around the hinge. Imagine the hinge pin being the left arm, not your spine. The club passes around the left arm (the golfers' flail). If the wall continues to move, the door has a really hard time catching up.

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yodaluke or someone else, could you go into more detail about this 'right forearm allowed to pass line of sight'??? and overtaking? thanks!

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[quote="powerdraw"][quote="YodasLuke"]............Is there another thread or mini-vid that further explains this, seems to be a common problem with hitters.........

to me it part of haveing slack on the downswing, looseing extensor action as the downswing occurs etc

Re: Driver Leaking Badly to the Right
 

[quote="powerdraw"][quote="YodasLuke"]I agree...need more on this--------probably part of the big/small pulley theory etc

............Is there another thread or mini-vid that further explains this, seems to be a common problem with hitters.........

to me it part of haveing slack on the downswing, looseing extensor action as the downswing occurs etc

the record
 

Let me give you an analogy, as I've been given the designation by one of my juniors as being the king of analogies.

For those of us that remember vinyl records...
When a hitter attempts to employ the pivot for anything more than the startdown, rythm is lost.
Imagine a record turning around and around. The inside of the record turns at the same RPM's or rate of rotation as the outside. However, the outside of the record is turning at a faster speed, because of it's distance from the center. When a hitter trys to swing and the right shoulder doesn't become a platform, the inside of the record is trying to turn faster than the outside. The record is being warped. Most hitters in this condition, hit it a mile to the right. The right arm never overtakes the line of sight to the ball.

I'll bore you with one more...
A hitter that trys to use centripetal force is like this analogy. Imagine a guy standing at the top of a hill and his truck has stopped running for the last time. He's so tired of it that he's going to push it down the hill. He can either nudge it (#4 accumulator) and let gravity do the rest (#1 accumulator), or he can push it and continue to chase it, trying to push it faster and faster. It sounds rediculous doesn't it? The hitter that wants to get just a little bit more has to be aware that the body ONLY gives the truck a nudge. The body is not an untapped reserve of power. If you continue to chase the truck, you're a closet switter that enjoys the right side of the golf course.

Wow....
 

You may, in fact, be the king of analogies :lol: . Those were great. The truck on the hill especially clears some fog for me, personally.

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Ted,

Congrats on your good play! Could you please expand on the above? Is there a book reference on this?

Thanks man!

Richard

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6-B-1-C speaks to maximum trigger delay. The right elbow passes the line of sight to the ball before release.

In my own teaching experience, I find that many have such poor rythm that this mistake being made (bad rythm) is assumed to be clubhead lag. In fact, I was taught in my early golf lessons that the body had to 'outrun' the clubhead. I was taught swinging with angled hinging. (Swing as hard as you can to the left and hold on for dear life - that's what I gained from the instruction.)

Lag PRESSURE occurs when a greater force than the momentum of the clubhead is applied to the handle, instead of the 'drag and hold.' Drive the handle is the feeling I have now. Remember, in hitting, we're not trying to outrun anything. We're trying to drive the handle so far ahead of the ball that the clubhead couldn't catch up, even if it wanted to do so.

As far as RPM's go, the body doesn't have to travel very fast to stay ahead of the hands. The hands are to far away from the body on the radius of the left arm, that they have to travel very fast to keep up with a turning body. As far as four barrel hitting goes, the body stops just as quicly as it starts. The right shoulder becomes a platform.

Since I'm on the analogy kick about rythm, here's another:

You're in a Ferrari, and I'm in an E-Z-GO golf car. We have to do a lap around a track to see who wins. I can be the winner if my track is 1/32 the size. The body is the E-Z-GO. It doesn't have to travel around very fast to get around it's track. However, the hands (the Ferrari) have to travel much faster on the larger track, just to keep up with the body. Lastly, the clubhead is a fighter jet. It is capable of traveling at the greatest speed, but it has to travel on a much bigger circle.

I'm sorry about all the analogies, but I wake up at three in the morning thinking about this stuff. Am I sick??

yodasluke,

how would you go about the analogy for a swinger in the same line of thought? i'd keep it in this thread for now, for comparison reasons.

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Nope....i have one better for you that just came to me from your discussion:

Apply what YodasLuke said above to a RUNNERS TRACK RACE.....(not sprints)

Why do the runners get placed at different starting points on the CIRCULAR TRACK? With the innner most track runner starting further back than the outter most track runner?

Anyone have a lightbulb go on yet? :D

Hitters in Drag. Yikes!
 

FANTASTIC post! The bolded section is strong like bull. A few follow-questions. As a Hitter are you attempting to achieve Maximum Trigger Delay in the #1 Accumulator since a the hitter is using the Punch Basic Stroke? Can you achieve Max Trigger delay in Punch elbow?

Also 6-C-0 states: Every Lagging Component places a Drag on its preceding Component, which is proportional to the Rate of Acceleration of the leading component.

What does DRAG mean in this context and particularly in relation to Hitting? I know there is Drag Loading which is a swing procedure. Also Mr. K references "dragging a wet mop" for Drive Loading. Are we talking two types of Drag here? Is their Drag in Hitting?

Thanks!

Bucket in Drag