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Bigwill 10-01-2006 07:58 PM

90 degree wristcock
 
Is it possible to cock the left wrist so that the shaft is 90 degrees to the left arm while maintaining a level right wrist? I can't see how, but if anyone can, please enlighten me. I'm lost on this one.

mrodock 10-01-2006 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bigwill
Is it possible to cock the left wrist so that the shaft is 90 degrees to the left arm while maintaining a level right wrist? I can't see how, but if anyone can, please enlighten me. I'm lost on this one.

Some people just don't have the flexibility due to bone placement. I can't remember the bone in question, but if it is in the way, you will not be capable of doing the above. Carl Rabito talked about this on the golf channel. I for one cannot even come close.

Bigwill 10-01-2006 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mrodock
Some people just don't have the flexibility due to bone placement. I can't remember the bone in question, but if it is in the way, you will not be capable of doing the above. Carl Rabito talked about this on the golf channel. I for one cannot even come close.

I'm not sure I follow. How does wrist flexibility affect the ability to cock the left wrist to 90 degrees, without cocking the right wrist as well?? Told you, this one has me flummoxed:eyes:

mrodock 10-01-2006 09:11 PM

You have to have a certain range of motion to articulate a joint in a direction a certain amount. If something inhibits your ability to get the range of motion that you desire, 90 degrees in this example, then you will have to compensate in some fashion, for me I need to double-cock.

Bigwill 10-01-2006 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by mrodock
You have to have a certain range of motion to articulate a joint in a direction a certain amount. If something inhibits your ability to get the range of motion that you desire, 90 degrees in this example, then you will have to compensate in some fashion, for me I need to double-cock.


Ok, so you're saying that if I have the proper range of motion in my wrists, a 90 cocking of the left wrist won't result in the cocking of the right wrist?

birdie_man 10-01-2006 09:55 PM

I definitely can go past 90....esp. with a real swing with the change of directions at the top....where the clubhead is really laggin.

My left thumb hurts sometimes because of the club pushing on it. (when Loading)

Can't do nearly as much with a "short thumb" or the thumb Aft at Fix BTW.

12 piece bucket 10-01-2006 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by birdie_man
I definitely can go past 90....esp. with a real swing with the change of directions at the top....where the clubhead is really laggin.

My left thumb hurts sometimes because of the club pushing on it. (when Loading)

Awwww come on!!!! Tell the truth . . . that ain't why your thumb hurts!!!

lagster 10-01-2006 10:02 PM

Illusion
 
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Originally Posted by Bigwill
Ok, so you're saying that if I have the proper range of motion in my wrists, a 90 cocking of the left wrist won't result in the cocking of the right wrist?

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Sometimes this can be a kind of ILLUSION. For example, with a guy like Sergio Garcia, that really shollows out his downswing and even may get below the Elbow Plane on the downswing shift... there will look like there is a very sharp angle of the left wrist. With a player like Tom Watson, or Adam Scott, where they are on a more Upright Plane, with little Plane Shift on the downswing... this angle will not appear as great. Try this in a mirror and see if you can see this. Keep the left wrist angle the same, but change planes, and see the different looks. This might have more of an effect with video.

12 piece bucket 10-01-2006 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by lagster
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Sometimes this can be a kind of ILLUSION. For example, with a guy like Sergio Garcia, that really shollows out his downswing and even may get below the Elbow Plane on the downswing shift... there will look like there is a very sharp angle of the left wrist. With a player like Tom Watson, or Adam Scott, where they are on a more Upright Plane, with little Plane Shift on the downswing... this angle will not appear as great. Try this in a mirror and see if you can see this. Keep the left wrist angle the same, but change planes, and see the different looks. This might have more of an effect with video.

Astute observation.

Bigwill 10-01-2006 10:19 PM

Will the right wrist stop being level if the left wrist is cocked to 90 degrees or beyond? Is it possible to maintain a level right wrist if you allow the left wrist to cock to 90 degrees or more? Why or why not?

Thanks for the responses.

birdie_man 10-02-2006 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Awwww come on!!!! Tell the truth . . . that ain't why your thumb hurts!!!

lol that went over my head.

Mike O 10-02-2006 01:15 AM

The cocking left wrist
 
Bigwill,
Just remember that the wrist can only cock approximately 20 degrees. So if you start with a zero number 3 accumulator you'll only get to 20 degrees. If you start with 70 degrees of #3 accumulator then you can get to 90 degrees.

neil 10-02-2006 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bigwill
Will the right wrist stop being level if the left wrist is cocked to 90 degrees or beyond? Is it possible to maintain a level right wrist if you allow the left wrist to cock to 90 degrees or more? Why or why not?

Thanks for the responses.

Try this.
Put both hands in front of you as if you were addressing a ball but with no club.
With palms together ,cock the left wrist.
Make your backswing to the top .Notice how the turning of the right arm enables the right wrist to remain bent and level-and it now matches the cocked left wrist.:eyes:

neil 10-02-2006 07:34 AM

My last post was somewhat oversimplified.
Start in adress position with no club .With your left thumb in the lifeline of the right hand ,bend your right wrist.Is your left wrist cocked?.It may not be 90'but it will be as cocked as you can get it.
Now take it to the top without any further movement of the hands.:happy3:

birdie_man 10-02-2006 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
Astute observation.

Ya that is.....he's absolutely right.

I think Sergio Double-Cocks too tho. (so he'll have more regardless)

golfbulldog 10-02-2006 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by neil
Try this.
Put both hands in front of you as if you were addressing a ball but with no club.
With palms together ,cock the left wrist.
Make your backswing to the top .Notice how the turning of the right arm enables the right wrist to remain bent and level-and it now matches the cocked left wrist.:eyes:

I agree with Neil , I think.

The left wrist bends in concert with the right elbow. For the right wrist not to cock as this occurs then i think that the right forearm has to rotate ( supinate) in a counter-clockwise direction ( from your personal viewing position)

This seems to allow the left wrist to cock, roght elbow to bend and keep the right wrist level but bent.

The timing of this right forearm rotation can vary but it is needed at some stage. When performed early in the swing it is essentially the movement Dante recommends in his book , and is one of the moves in Manzella Twistaway.

drewitgolf 10-03-2006 01:15 PM

Going off half cocked, again.
 
Swingers do not have to go to the End. By going there they use Top Arc and Straight Line Delivery Path, which helps set up Longitudinal Acceleration. But, the Swinger can go to Top only like a Hitter. As the Swinger goes past Top, they risk cocking their Right Wrist.

SwingNorthtoSouth 10-03-2006 02:40 PM

Thanks
 
Thanks Drew, big game tonight on FOX for us Yankee Fans.

mrodock 10-03-2006 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike O
Bigwill,
Just remember that the wrist can only cock approximately 20 degrees. So if you start with a zero number 3 accumulator you'll only get to 20 degrees. If you start with 70 degrees of #3 accumulator then you can get to 90 degrees.

It all finally makes sense, the right elbow makes it look as though the left wrist has cocked 90 or more degrees.

Thanks Lagster and Mike O, this helps immensely!

neil 10-04-2006 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by drewitgolf
Swingers do not have to go to the End. By going there they use Top Arc and Straight Line Delivery Path, which helps set up Longitudinal Acceleration. But, the Swinger can go to Top only like a Hitter. As the Swinger goes past Top, they risk cocking their Right Wrist.

Sorry should have used "end"
'instead of "top"in my previous post.Thanks for the correction:salut:


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