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tongzilla 09-21-2006 01:24 PM

Ben Hogan Power Golf Sequence
 
One of the greatest golf sequence ever drawn.

Here is the front on view. I will post the target view later.










tongzilla 09-21-2006 01:24 PM








Michael Finney 09-21-2006 04:17 PM

nope...
 
can't use drawings, tong....martee disallowed them :happy3:

ChrisNZ 09-21-2006 04:51 PM

Heaps of good stuff here Tong, thanks!

I think the comment about "at this point my body has produced all the power it possibly can on the downswing and now the arms and the hands are starting to produce their power." is interesting. Its hard to see this at full speed, but ties in with slow motion demos of swings that I have seen (e.g. Hogan himself in the George Coleman(?) video).

Chris

tongzilla 09-21-2006 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisNZ
Heaps of good stuff here Tong, thanks!

I think the comment about "at this point my body has produced all the power it possibly can on the downswing and now the arms and the hands are starting to produce their power." is interesting. Its hard to see this at full speed, but ties in with slow motion demos of swings that I have seen (e.g. Hogan himself in the George Coleman(?) video).

Chris

In TGM lingo, it is Body Power (2-M-4) initiated by the Quick Start Down of the Hips (10-19-C) that Transfers Momentum (2-K) to the Arms, Hands (6-B-2/3) and Club. Students of TGM should study the chapter references in brackets :read:.

tongzilla 09-21-2006 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Finney
can't use drawings, tong....martee disallowed them :happy3:

I just think these drawings are beautiful and I find the self-analysis by Hogan very interesting. I'm not trying to prove anything by drawing lines and triangles, etc. :)

Yoda 09-21-2006 05:36 PM

Power Golf -- The Hardcover Version
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tongzilla

I just think these drawings are beautiful...

Tongzilla,

If you don't have a hardcover copy of Ben Hogan's Power Golf with its large photographs -- which served as the basis of the line drawings you have posted -- you owe it to yourself to get one. Right now, you can buy one surprisingly cheap on Amazon. Here are two: one for $10.00 and one for $15.80. Click on this link and go to the collectible section. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...n=collectible. These are exceptionally low prices that will be deemed ridiculous in the future.

In any event, the line drawings are great, but the photographs are even greater. And without an 'original' of this classic, your golf library will always be incomplete.

tongzilla 09-21-2006 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
Tongzilla,

If you don't have a hardcover copy of Ben Hogan's Power Golf with its large photographs -- which served as the basis of the line drawings you have posted -- you owe it to yourself to get one. Right now, you can buy one surprisingly cheap on Amazon. Here are two: one for $10.00 and one for $15.80. Click on this link and go to the collectible section. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...n=collectible. These are exceptionally low prices that will be deemed ridiculous in the future.

In any event, while the line drawings are great, the photographs are even greater. And without an 'original' of this classic, your golf library will always be incomplete.

Thanks for the link Yoda.

I did more searching on Ebay and found:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/POWER-GOLF-by-...QQcmdZViewItemIt's the first edition :eyes:!

Yoda 09-21-2006 09:06 PM

Only Money
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tongzilla

Thanks for the link Yoda.

I did more searching on Ebay and found:

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/POWER-GOLF-by-...QQcmdZViewItemIt's the first edition :eyes:!

Go for it, Leo! This is not a book we're talking about...it's Ben Hogan...and history!

6bmike 09-21-2006 11:28 PM

Got to love that right elbow in these pictures.

Yoda 09-21-2006 11:47 PM

Taking the Right Elbow Into Impact
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 6bmike

Got to love that right elbow in this pictures.

Right you are, Mike.

Consider this:

"If I had the time [and knowing what I now know], I would build my swing around taking the Right Elbow into Impact."

-- Homer Kelley

hg 09-22-2006 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
Tongzilla,

If you don't have a hardcover copy of Ben Hogan's Power Golf with its large photographs -- which served as the basis of the line drawings you have posted -- you owe it to yourself to get one. Right now, you can buy one surprisingly cheap on Amazon. Here are two: one for $10.00 and one for $15.80. Click on this link and go to the collectible section. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listi...n=collectible. These are exceptionally low prices that will be deemed ridiculous in the future.

In any event, the line drawings are great, but the photographs are even greater. And without an 'original' of this classic, your golf library will always be incomplete.


How about a signed 1st edition:read:

http://cgi.ebay.com/Ben-Hogan-SIGNED...QQcmdZViewItem

ColtsFan 09-22-2006 02:30 PM

Tongzilla or Yoda,

How different was his "power golf" swing from his "5 Fundamentals" swing? Based on the picture he looks to cross the line a little more vs. being laid off in 5 Fund's.

He says he starts the swing with the hips, shoulders, and hands simultaneously in Power Golf, but in 5 Fund's. he says its hands, then then shoulders, then hips.

He also says to keep the hands out of the swing but then he says he wished he had 3 right hands? (and he clearly supinates at impact with his hands/writs)

What was he really doing and why would contradict himself?

Thanks





Thanks

tongzilla 09-22-2006 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColtsFan
How different was his "power golf" swing from his "5 Fundamentals" swing?

The most obvious differences:

A much stronger left hand grip in "Power Golf".

There is less Pivot participation in "5 Fundamentals". For example, the left heel doesn't get nearly lifted as much at the Top.

In "5 Fundamentals", his hands stop slightly above the Right shoulder at the Top, as opposed to being above the head.

The extent of the Double Shift (10-7-C) is much less in "5 Fundamentals", almost like a Single Shift (10-7-B).

Was it because of the car accident, or was it because he wanted greater control? Or both? Anyhow, it was with the "5 Fundamentals" swing that Hogan played his most memorable golf.

ColtsFan 09-23-2006 03:47 AM

Tong,

So this (Power Golf time period)was apparently when he was hitting the hooks. The thing about the Hawk that blows me away is that even if Woods has more majors than everyone at the end of the day, the fact Hogan survived, let alone won 2 Major golf championships after that accident, is totally unbelievable.....

brianmanzella 09-23-2006 10:02 AM

The BEST Ben Hogan ever!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ColtsFan
Tong,

So this (Power Golf time period)was apparently when he was hitting the hooks. The thing about the Hawk that blows me away is that even if Woods has more majors than everyone at the end of the day, the fact Hogan survived, let alone won 2 Major golf championships after that accident, is totally unbelievable.....

ColtsFan,

This lack of factual knowledge of Mr. Hogan's real history, is not your fault. Lots of folks have no idea about the man, or his history.

As for these photos:

They were taken in 1948 at Augusta National, and in the three years which ended in 1948, Ben Hogan won 30 tournaments.

30 tournaments

He later had "the accident" and made a well-publicized swing "change."

He won tournaments and Majors after the "wreck," but in his own words, NEVER hit it as well as he did before (like in these photos).

He played well and some say better, but he thought he scored and mangaged his game better.

Nonetheless, this sequence of Mr. Hogan that I have posted below, along with the signiture he signed my Hogan 5 Lessons book with, is for lots of great teachers, the best ever.

Enjoy!


ColtsFan 09-24-2006 03:08 AM

how cool are these pics huh?? Thanks for the Hogan knowlege Tong....


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