swingers using extensor action?
 

I have been trying to incorporate extensor action into my swing for a while now. But i've found it difficult, it seems to inhibit the looseness of my wrist and arms, my swing feels less 'swing' like when i'm using it.

This got me thinking how important extensor action is for a swinger. I was looking at the 'pure' thread in the Swingers section which was looking for a 'true swinger' on tour. Names mentioned were VJ, Freddie, Bobby Jones, Monty, Daly etc.. Now i'm no expert but to me these guys don't seem to be applying extensor action. Just wondered what you guys thought about this?

Cheers,

Danny

An excellent question Danny. IMO, a 'true' swinger allows CF to help keep exensor action back and through. I too often find that applying extensor action when swinging 'can' hinder the flow of CF, but the trick is to apply just enough to keep the structure without getting in the way of CF.

Certainly when hitting I personally feel and use extensor action to a greater degree, or at least that is the feel. In both cases someone watching probably wouldn't see a difference. That said - extensor action is absolutely important - and most people do not have enough.

Ya I agree....pure Swingers don't seem to have much Ex. Action.....and the "CF creating it" I def. agree with. The weight of the club almost seems to add Ex. Action and cock the left wrist.

And that comment about more Ex. Action with Hitting makes sense too....it seems to almost serve to limit the length of swing for you....and discourages Swinging.

When I started playing golf tho....I was one of the ones who had TOO much Ex. Action....way too much. My dad would always tell me to try for "Extension."

So I was tense, and swayed (a lot), and had no wrist cock (not to mention that I had the habit of setting up with almost an Uncocked left wrist)....esp. ugly with Standard Wrist Action I think......(shudders).

lol

I dunno if any beneficial CF is present on the backswing.

When you mention the structure wrt EA, is there a clear indicator of lack of EA? Where in the structure is the breakdown most obvious?

CW

Extersor
 

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Tom Tomasello said the key for Swingers was to have "EXTENSION WITHOUT TENSION."

A Hitter can have some tension and get away with it.

Sounds good but how?
 

Nice quote lagster, definitely sounds something to strive for. Any idea how though? Is it possible to apply extensor action without creating tension? From my experience they seem directly proportionate.

I was thinking the other day and i'm sure theres a good reason why this is a terrible idea. But what if you applied some extensor action at address just to verify your radius. Then didn't think about it at all throughout the swing. But just trying to get a tensionless inert left arm and letting CF do all the extending.

Tension
 

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Your idea sounds reasonable.

Several SWINGERS have expressed that they have trouble with too much right arm involvement when they apply EXTENSOR ACTION, and do not attempt to use this in their SWINGING TECHNIQUE. Others are able to keep as "SEPARATE IDENTITIES" the(1) slight pressure applied through the #1 Prerssure Point to stretch the INERT LEFT ARM, and(2) the THRUST of the #1 Accumulator.

This seems to be one of those items that each player must sort out for himself.

outward force
 

Tension
Pressure
Stiffening
Straightening the left arm- all bad thoughts

Extensor action is
a tug,
a pull,
a stretch
of the ‘left arm bungee cord’- the noodle arm that is the master power accumulator by the active right arm folding (up swing) and straightening (down swing).

A bungee cord never gets stiff- pulled and stretch by not stiff.

The tug is linear in direction (outward away from the center) and doesn’t move the left arm along the arc of the swing circle.

Incubating,

6b

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Welcome back Mike! We missed you :) !

Welcome back Mike. Your timing could not have been better. Yanks in FIRST!!!!!!!!!!! I am sure Drew will respond now.:laughing9

You're "Yanking" my chain
 

Didn't know the season ended on August 9th :naughty: .

But is there more to it though?
 

6bmike,

I do think theres more to this than me applying extensor action incorrectly. I apply it using solely my right arm through pp #1 (i actually find pp #3 more restricting) down the direction of my left arm. I wouldn't say my left arm muscles are at all tense but the left arm is pulled taut, and it is this that i feel inhibits my left arm and wrists.

When using extensor action my swing as a whole feels much more connected to my body. To explain further there are some areas in the swing where i particularly feel this restriction.

- My lagging clubhead takeaway feel is much less pronounced.
- At the change of direction my hands feel less responsive to the weight of the clubhead and i don't feel i get the same lag.
- Probably related to the point above. At the top of the swing my arms and body feel like they change direction as one. Instead of the arms continuing to go up as the body starts down.
- Also my left arm blast off feel less dynamic. Without extensor action i get a real feeling of flinging the left arm into impact. But extensor action seems to try and hold the left arm in place.

So i'm guess what i'm asking is are these feelings because of the incorrect application of extensor action or have other people had similar feelings thenselves?

I would agree with your observations re: the general feels of what can happen trying extensor action in swinging, but I think Lagster nailed one of the biggest keys to getting past them - the INERT - left arm.

The areas you list tend to come about if that left arm is still 'active' rather than just being a limp string.

I think Ben Doyle's image/feel of stretching your arm through a sweater is one of the best for getting the right amount, and for me, when I get that not quite right tension feel you describe above, it always helps to get back to a right side focus and really key in on the right forearm and its magic.

Visualize your entire primary lever assembly (left arm and club) as inert and being controled by the right forearm, even if it is being powered by the pull of the left side (PP#4) as a swinger should do.

You should feel more clubhead weight. I feel that the "TUG" adds effective mass to the left arm as it performs acc#4.
Maybe you are applying too much. It is just a tug to activate the rubber band.

The right shoulder blasts the left arm off the chest regardless of the linear pull of extensor action to the edge of the circle. Extensor Action does not hold back or move it along the swing path. A tug to activate a consistent radius.

sorry- back to work.

Very Similar Thoughts
 

I quite agree with you, how to tug the left arm with the right through pp1 BUT NOT cause some right hand active participation during downswing! seems impossible to me.

My purest swings come from feeling no extensor action and being aware of floppy arms responding to pivot. Occasionally happen upon truly effortless power and accuracy which has me howling with joy on the first tee!

Trouble is i try and repeat it , or worse - better it, and i overaccelerate.

It seems that extensor action gets you to the top OK but you need to tone it down abit if you want float load and not to overaccelerate.

My experience so far but loving the journey!

EdZ, 6bmike thanks for the informative posts. I'm certaintly not gonna give up on extensor action as it is so highly valued in TGM and i've already had a lot of success applying other TGM concepts.

6bmike one point you made that i just can't get my head around.

When you apply extensor action you are still applying a force to the left arm. As this is being aplied down the left arm this is a different direction than that of the left arm blast off. So surely extensor action holds it back to some extent?

golfbulldog i got a strong sense of deja vu reading your post. I wish i had the answers, i guess its just gonna take a lot more practice. Wouldn't it be great though to combine the looseness fo our non-extensor action swings with the mass 6bmike describes. Now that would be something to savor! :happy3:

Extensor Action just pulls the left arm outward- it is a straight line tug (pulling that shirt sleeve out of the sport coat).
The folding right arm- the one that wants to straighten but is 'cut short' by the left arm acting like a dog leash, AND the shoulder turn/pivot moves the left arm ALONG the incline swing path- not extensor action.

:)