What's causing my toe-deep divots?
 

Hi all. Could a few of you weigh in on the biggest cause of toe-deep divots? Thanks in advance.
Tommy

Ur irons fitted?

+ check your balance (should be more on heels)

+ U a slicer?

Birdie,
Irons are standard; not fitted.
Not a slicer, but a puller (over the top).
Tommy

Ironing things out
 

WP9,

Divots go left toward the shortstop?

Here is a problem. Going to a more upright lie angle will take away the toe deep divots, but generally cause you to hit it further left. Not something I am sure you want to do.

Change your Impact alignments. Your Right Forearm is most likely too high at Impact and your Wrists are fully Uncocked at Impact rather than Level.

Maybe you could provide a little more information on your stroke?

1) Standing too close to the ball and coming in with a steeper shaft angle than the lie of the club demands.

2) Excessive rolling of the wrists in to impact will bring the club head in toe down.

Both of the above will give the swing and ball flight characteristics that you describe in your other post. But, if the toe gets into the ground first the hosel will usually come around and some balls may fly off to the right as a result.

Hi Drew

Can you shed some light on how someone might go about correcting the above?
Your analysis is really good. This is very common by the way.

What if someone has a steep sweep release, but otherwise on plane? :wink:

Thanks!

Bagger

Drewitgolf,
I think you nailed it. My right forearm IS too high at impact, (as well as the wrists uncocked). So, should I practice impact fix, with a lower right forearm, that is, address, impact fix, address, impact fix, etc?
Tommy

Leveling out the playing field
 

Having your Left Wrist Uncocked at Impact will lead to Clubhead Thowaway and toe deep divots. When the golfer, during Release and Impact, continues to Uncock the Left Wrist past the Level condition (4-B-1) rather then using the roll of the Hand, Level Left Wrist and #3 Accumulator with it’s Rhythm thru Impact to Follow-Through (2-P), we are looking at Steering (3-F-7-A); a Horizontal Wrist Motion, and a Bent Left Wrist. So the Left Wrist is not only Bent (which makes the ball go left), but also Uncocked giving excessive toe down divots and a nice “soft” Impact. Centrifugal Acceleration is lost.

Educated Hands understand that the Perpendicular (Vertical) Left Wrist Uncocking Motion is a Clubhead Motion and the Roll is a Hand Motion whether Simultaneous (Hitting) or Sequenced (Swinging) controls the Clubface. Both must be differentiated. Look at the picture of the Golfer’s Flail in 2-K#4 and #5. Let it incubate into the coconut. In fact, I built my own Flail per Yoda’s recommendation. It does not allow Horizontal Wrist Motion. Mine is bolted so that the swingle (club) can not go past the Level condition. Per 4-D-0, when the Wrist Motion throws the Clubface at the ball there will be Clubhead Throwaway (unless using 10-2-D). Having a fully Uncocked Left Wrist at Impact also may zero out the #3 Accumulator giving up almost all Transfer Power.

For the Right Forearm Flying Wedge and its Level Wrist to be on Plane the Right Elbow must be bent and on Plane (not run out of Right Arm). We are then able to trace our Plane Line with our Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point. All are a by-product of the Right Shoulder being Plane due to proper Waist Bend, Hip Shift; Axis Tilt. All return to their Impact Fix location. If the Right Elbow is straight and high and the Right Shoulder is off Plane at this point, all bets are off.

This is strong as train smoke!

Norrin Radd . . . You would however advise a FULLY UNCOCKED WRIST AFTER IMPACT NO?

Not goin' off half cocked
 

Yes, with the key word being "after".

Initially this is true. However, This would also force the player to start swinging down plane (dowward, outward, and forward) to correct the high right forearm. The question becomes, does the player come over plane to make the ball go straight or because that is what they think they should do?
I would try a more upright lie angle and make the ball go straight. Check the lie angle again and if the marks are good and the ball goes straight then you have a winner.

Golfgnome,

Correct me if I am wrong. Are you suggesting that the player should fit their motion to the club, rather then have the club fit their motion?

All to often when the ball goes left (from a more upright lie angle or a Bent Left Wrist), the Computer will aim the Machine further and further to the right to correct the ball flight, they won't change their Impact Alignments.

All to often, players are fitted for Clubhead Throwaway (I have fitted people for Throwaway; those are the people who won't practice or change their motion, but want to hit it straight $$$). Yes, it can improve their ball flight, but if they really want to improve their game, they will base their motion on the Laws of Science.

Improving their Zone #3, six Impact Alignments (3-F-5) before changing the lie angle of the club should save them time while improving their Geometry (they may not even need to change their lie angle to begin with). After visually checking their motion to see if they have sound Impact, then they should be fitted for lie, length, grip size, shaft flex..., not before IMO.

Drewitgolf,
That is awesome stuff. I'm off and running to the mirror, and then the range. Thanks.
Tommy

No! I am saying that the club can and will have an effect on motion. Many players bend their left wrist and come over the top because their equipment is to short or to flat or to stiff, etc. If a player is bending their left wrist and coming over plane the ball should go left not straight. By giving the player the correct lie angle they will start hitting the ball to the left, then be able to start correcting ball flight by making a down plane motion.

A lie angle that is to upright will sometimes cause players to swing under plane (ex. juniors).

No question, but if the lie angle (which is a combination of length and lie) is not correct will the player EVER be rewarded for a geometrically correct swing.

How far off does a significant difference in result appear? 1 degree? 2?

Given a lie that fits a player, how does changing to a more or less stiff shaft alter the needed lie angle?

divots,toe-,deep
 

I have had this problem most of this year.Three weeks ago i was over on the manzella forum,and i saw the little figure that he has that looks like it is in the impact position.I went out to driving range an tried to duplicate that figure.Cured me.:)