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Bagger Lance 02-03-2005 02:30 AM

Another Can't Miss Post
 
Yoda posted the following in the Drills section, but it is much to good to just stay there...
Bagger

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgkeller

What am I trying to learn with this drill?

Back again, rg, as promised in my first reply above (Dragging Baby Brother). This time I'm bringing photos illustrating the fact that my Follow-Through alignments in the Impact Bag demonstration are virtually identical with those of the great Champions of history. The only reason they appear somewhat exaggerated is that I was Following Through with the Arms and Hands (No Quitting!) while the dowel could only remain buried in the Bag. With several hundred times more mass than that of an actual golf ball, the Bag would barely move (much less rebound resiliently off the dowel and into the air!). Imagine the photos below if the Clubshafts were not permitted to move further forward than the Impact Bag's location.

I'll begin with a still from my video; follow with a series of five photos (the last an LBG Classic); and then link to a very special, indeed historically significant, video. Here we go:




Yoda At Impact Bag Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight)




Byron Nelson At Impact




Lee Trevino At Immediately Post-Impact




Ben Hogan at Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight)




Gary Player at Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight)




Homer Kelley at Follow-Through (Both Arms Straight)



And now, for a very special, first time in history treat, click on:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/Video/HKSwing.wmv

...and watch the only known video Swing of The Master himself, along with his personal audio lesson from 6-E-2.

Enjoy!
_________________
Yoda

EdZ 02-03-2005 09:57 AM

Thanks Lynn!


Great to see the master in action!

8)

Uppndownn 02-03-2005 10:40 AM

Lynn,
That HK video and still shot is way cool.
Thank you!

EdZ 02-03-2005 10:52 AM

Notice that a line can be draw, perpendicular to the shoulder line, to PP1 and the clubhead is still lagging behind 'that' line.

A sure sign that lag pressure has been maintained a long, long time -

keeping it all the way to both arms straight! :idea:

MizunoJoe 02-03-2005 12:49 PM

Yoda,

Thanks. In that brief tape, I was amazed to see what I'm sure was a Pure Swing. I thought Homer didn't think much of the concept?

Yoda 02-03-2005 01:28 PM

The Hitter's Swing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe

Yoda,

Thanks. In that brief tape, I was amazed to see what I'm sure was a Pure Swing. I thought Homer didn't think much of the concept?

This particular Stroke is characterized by its Lagging Clubhead Takeaway and length of Backstroke; Drag Loading from the Top; and the Throwout Action of Centrifugal Force in Release. Therefore, it is clear that MizunoJoe has it nailed: Homer Kelley was Swinging.

It may surprise many to learn that Homer was not 'anti-Swinging.' In fact, he felt the Basic Pattern (12-2-0) was easier to learn than Hitting (12-1-0) and -- barring a strong inclination otherwise -- he thought it should be the first to master. In his own personal Game, Homer refused to allow himself the luxury of 'one Swing.' He was the consumate researcher and -- from Drive to Putt -- his rounds were often filled with as many different 'Swings' as he had Shots. And that was for each of the several Balls he normally put in play!

But if there ever was a guy who liked to control circumstances, it was Homer Kelley. And when pushed -- and you had to push -- he would admit his preference for the total control he exercised over the Club when Hitting. He was, in his own words...

"...a Hitting Devotee."

Theodan 02-03-2005 03:47 PM

Re: The Hitter's Swing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
Quote:

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe

Yoda,

Thanks. In that brief tape, I was amazed to see what I'm sure was a Pure Swing. I thought Homer didn't think much of the concept?

This particular Stroke is characterized by its Length of Backstroke; Drag Loading from the Top; and the Throwout Action of Centrifugal Force in Release. Therefore, it is clear that MizunoJoe has it nailed: Homer Kelley was Swinging.

It may surprise many to learn that Homer was not 'anti-Swinging.' In fact, he felt the Basic Pattern (12-2-0) was easier to learn than Hitting (12-1-0) and -- barring a strong inclination otherwise -- he thought it should be the first to master. In his own personal Game, Homer refused to allow himself the luxury of 'one Swing.' He was the consumate researcher and -- from Drive to Putt -- his rounds were often filled with as many different 'Swings' as he had Shots. And that was for each of the several Balls he normally put in play!

But if there ever was a guy who liked to control circumstances, it was Homer Kelley. And when pushed -- and you had to push -- he would admit his preference for the total control he exercised over the Club when Hitting. He was, in his own words...

"...a Hitting Devotee."

Thank you for that insight. It fits the bill as a rich piece of golf history. It honors us all. Most of all, it honors Mr Kelley.

Charlie

JohnThomas1 02-04-2005 10:13 PM

Homer and swinging
 
Homer said that he did not like swinging because it was too easy i have been told. Ever hear that one Lynn? Or did he allude to similar? Pure CF swinging would have seemed reasonably easy to Homer i would think :)

John

Yoda 02-05-2005 01:30 AM

Rip Van Winkle -- Open Champ
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnThomas1
Homer said that he did not like swinging because it was too easy i have been told. Ever hear that one Lynn? Or did he allude to similar? Pure CF swinging would have seemed reasonably easy to Homer i would think :)

John

Naah, John...

Homer loved G.O.L.F. -- Hitting or Swinging!

From The Top when Swinging, the Instant Acceleration Hip Action Cranks the Gyroscope, i.e., it Loads the Lag in the Power Package.

From there, quoting Homer:

"You can practically sleep and swing."

JohnThomas1 02-05-2005 05:51 AM

Awesome stuff
 
Could you further explain the instant acceleration hip action. Are you talking of 10-15-B?

John

DDL 02-05-2005 02:28 PM

Re: Rip Van Winkle -- Open Champ
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
From The Top when Swinging, the Instant Acceleration Hip Action Cranks the Gyroscope, i.e., it Loads the Lag in the Power Package.

In the other forums, you stated that the right shoulder thrust cranked the gyroscope, a downswing starting motion which I never understood, nor saw any player execute. Now IAHA makes a lot more sense. Consistent with a left side pull and an uninterrupted pivot train.

Yoda 02-05-2005 03:17 PM

Body Power
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DDL
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
From The Top when Swinging, the Instant Acceleration Hip Action Cranks the Gyroscope, i.e., it Loads the Lag in the Power Package.

In the other forums, you stated that the right shoulder thrust cranked the gyroscope, a downswing starting motion which I never understood, nor saw any player execute. Now IAHA makes a lot more sense. Consistent with a left side pull and an uninterrupted pivot train.

There is no inconsistency here, DDL, only another tile in the mosaic that is becoming your complete understanding of The Golfing Machine. :D

The work the Hips do -- the Hip Action -- is to actuate the Shoulder Turn (10-15-0). Thus is born Power Accumulator #4 -- the Downstroke Shoulder Turn Thrust against Pressure Point #4 (6-B-4-A) that transmits the Pivot Motion to the Arms (7-13). Achieve Maximum Power by coupling Maximum Shoulder Turn Thrust with Maximum Downstroke Shoulder Turn Lag. All this to preserve the Downstroke Release Sequence (6-M-1) and the consequent Lag and Drag in the Pivot Train (6-C-0).

Bagger Lance 03-22-2005 05:15 PM

Voted Most Popular Thread
 
According to our server statistics, this is the most popular thread on the board. :D

Bagger

Jimmy 05-31-2005 05:59 PM

This is what I get when I click the link:

Coppermine critical error:
Unable to connect to database !

MySQL said: Access denied for user: 'Lynnblake@linhostjava02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.n et' (Using password: YES)

:(

birdie_man 05-31-2005 07:57 PM

Lynn,

Would this position that all these great golfers are in look the same for a long iron? What if you wanted to hit it very high?

Bigwill 06-04-2005 08:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy
This is what I get when I click the link:

Coppermine critical error:
Unable to connect to database !

MySQL said: Access denied for user: 'Lynnblake@linhostjava02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.n et' (Using password: YES)

:(


I get the same.

Bagger Lance 06-04-2005 10:37 PM

Video's moved
 
We took the coppermine application down and moved all of the videos into the main gallery page on Lynn's website.

Bagger

birdie_man 09-16-2005 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy
This is what I get when I click the link:

Coppermine critical error:
Unable to connect to database !

MySQL said: Access denied for user: 'Lynnblake@linhostjava02.prod.mesa1.secureserver.n et' (Using password: YES)

:(

I get that too.

bantamben1 09-17-2005 12:45 AM

you should note that in the pics of the classic players they are all hitting short irons. that is what you want to look like if you are trying to hit a controlled med trajectory short iron. but try hitting a high 2 iron like that. find some clips of hogan hitting a 2 iron and he releases much ealier

tongzilla 09-17-2005 12:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bantamben1
you should note that in the pics of the classic players they are all hitting short irons. that is what you want to look like if you are trying to hit a controlled med trajectory short iron. but try hitting a high 2 iron like that. find some clips of hogan hitting a 2 iron and he releases much ealier

In fact, for a given release point, shorter clubs take less time to reach its In-Line condition than do a longer club because of the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum.

Since Hogan places the ball nearer Low Point (opposite Left Shoulder Hinge) with longer clubs such as a 2 iron, there will be less of that absolutely mandatory forward leaning of the Clubshaft through Impact. This may create the perception that Hogan is releasing the club earlier when in fact he is not. I think that's what you're getting at, right?

mb6606 09-17-2005 12:44 PM

Els with a driver right before impact
http://redgoat.smugmug.com/gallery/79626/1/4107424

bantamben1 09-17-2005 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tongzilla
Quote:

Originally Posted by bantamben1
you should note that in the pics of the classic players they are all hitting short irons. that is what you want to look like if you are trying to hit a controlled med trajectory short iron. but try hitting a high 2 iron like that. find some clips of hogan hitting a 2 iron and he releases much ealier

In fact, for a given release point, shorter clubs take less time to reach its In-Line condition than do a longer club because of the Law of Conservation of Angular Momentum.

Since Hogan places the ball nearer Low Point (opposite Left Shoulder Hinge) with longer clubs such as a 2 iron, there will be less of that absolutely mandatory forward leaning of the Clubshaft through Impact. This may create the perception that Hogan is releasing the club earlier when in fact he is not. I think that's what you're getting at, right?

yes definately what i meant . good post. when hitting a two iron off the ground you just cant have as much forward lean in the shaft or you wont have the loft. you could place the ball more further forward in your stance and have your hands at the same aiming point but if your aiming point is out where trevinos is where he is hitting that short iron your ball position would have to be in front of your left foot. i think most people know that when hitting a long iron verse short iron if you put the same swing on it you wont get the same trajectories. most better players manipulate this by holding off the release in the follow though with the short irons like the pics that where shown to keep the ball down and controlled, and releasing a little earlier as well as moving the ball up in there stance to get the high soft ball flight with the long irons


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