New video of Ted Fort Hitting
 

I just posted a new video of Ted Fort (yodasluke) hitting from the side view.

There is no sound in this clip. It is also large so be patient while it loads. You can also right-click on it and save it to your computer for future reference.

I think Ted is hitting a wedge in this video and if memory serves, he hits his wedge about 140-150yds. I've seen him do it and it still amazes me how far this seemingly short stroke can HIT a ball. :cool:

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/v...se_images&g=21

Thanks for posting
 

Thanks for posting video clip of luke the nuke.:D

Nice one! Thanks!
Alex

I have been waiting a long time to see this, great stroke Ted!! I love how once you set your wedges at impact fix, they never seem to move throughout the stroke. It looks like you just carry them to the top and back down through impact. Question though, in comparing my swing in relation to yours, it appears that your right elbow (arm) is somewhat lower than mine at the top. My right arm is even with, or maybe slightly higher than my left arm at the top of my swing, while yours seems to be in almost a tucked position. More of what I imagine a swingers position to be. Just wanted you or anyones thoughts on this?? My first inclination is that I am trying to hold off the rotation of the club laying on the plane, while in your swing there is much more of a natural paddlewheel motion to the top.
Thanks again for the great video!

fanning
 

I'm just guessing since I don't have pics of you. But from what you're saying, it sounds like you have no fanning in the right arm. Check the start-up to see if the right forearm is moving about the elbow, using it as a center. (Elbows staying by the sides while clapping like seal.) The "tucked" position might be misleading as I'm trying to stretch my right arm to maximum extensor action. The checkrein action (the leash) of the left arm won't allow my right arm to straighten, although I'm trying as hard as I can. Also, the swinger and hitter at top can be geometrically identical.

the wedge
 

Thanks for helping with the video, Trig. But, I only hit a wedge 140 with "normal, playing" lag pressure.

Top or End
 

Nice stroke Ted!

Got a question...as you know, Hitter's Assembly Point is the Top as opposed to the Swinger's End location. Top (10-21-A) is defined as Hands at Right Shoulder level at the Top (8-6) of the Stroke. But your hands seems to go slightly above that -- which is classified as End. I was looking at the Hitter's Row video (http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/v...se_images&g=21) and noticed your hands go further up than Yoda's, even though he is Swinging and you're Hitting in that sequence.
Is there a special reason, or is it just for psychological needs and preferences (3-A).

Thanks.

top
 

Thanks Tong,
I value your opinion because I think you've become one of the most knowledgeable Machinists in the forums. So when I get a "nice stroke" from The Tong, I'm feeling purrty good. :)

As far as the development of my pattern, there were a couple of months that I never reached top. I spent some time in 12-5-1 and 12-5-2, then finally in 12-5-3. As I progressed, I started adding some pivot. My goal in the beginning was to remove as many moving parts as possible. I was prepared to start from ground zero (as in zero pivot).

With regard to your question, WHAT IS OF UTMOST IMPORTANCE IS THE LOADING OF THE SHAFT. If you go much past top you start loading the knuckle on the top of the shaft instead of the pad of the finger on the back of the shaft. I'm loading my right elbow TO DRIVE THE CLUB THROUGH IMPACT and Yoda's loading his left wrist TO DRAG THE CLUB THROUGH IMPACT. It's really all about the loading, not the prescribed assembly point. Top and end are good visual checks for the instructor, though.

Because of the loading, it's much easier for a swinger to stop at top than it is for a hitter to stop at end.

I'm also 864 years younger than Yoda, but don't tell anybody. :evil:

Music To My Green Ears
 

Now THIS was one great post! Great stuff, Ted!

Wow
 

I'm so disgusted by that swing and the results that I might just throw out all of my golf books and magazines and sell my clubs, bags and balls.

I'm new to this TGM stuff, but I was once a "decent" golfer compared with the masses. I could break 80 once in a time and really hit some nice shots. I could actually hit the ball a decent clip.

Now it's a different story, which is why I've been studying TGM, hitting all the TGM-related sites, buying videos, practicing in my living room ... And then I go to the range and proceed to shank, hit it fat, dribble some off, hook a few for good measure, pull some nearly over the net, shank a few more at the other row of practice tees and flat out suck.

I come home, check the sites and see this. A nice, compact, efficient swing that appears to just end, and a ball that goes straight and far.

The Evidence of Things Unseen
 

Vandal,

Ted Fort's Golf Stroke -- in your words, "nice, compact, efficient" -- is The Promise of The Golfing Machine. Happily, it is also The Evidence that such a Stroke can be built by those willing to subjugate ego to purpose.

i know how you feel
 

"And then I go to the range and proceed to shank, hit it fat, dribble some off, hook a few for good measure, pull some nearly over the net, shank a few more at the other row of practice tees and flat out suck"



The last few times i went out for a practise hit i sucked big time. The ball was going anywhere but where it was supposed to. I was not happy.[-o< :???: :mad: :

But i figured i was trying too hard. I was a slave to the ball and overswinging. So i just went back to basics...started practising with the dowels for a few nights.

Yesterday evening i went to the course for a quick few holes and a little TGM miracle happened..they started going straight and felt oh so good:smile:

Good luck

Waitin' For Ya ,Vandal...
 

You need to come see us, Vandal.

Seriously...

If Golf means anything at all to you long-term, you need to come see us.

What's the point of adding more pivot?
 

Thanks for the reply Ted!
Please realise I'm not picking on your stroke, just want to learn more about real life Hitting :)
Per above, you talked about "adding some pivot". Now, I realise the Pivot is not an Accumulator, but do you think by having a larger turn you can gernerate more Power (Lag Pressure)? Or are there other reasons for adding some more pivot? I ask because the TGM me thinks that the Pivot is for maintaining Balance, Stationary Pivot Center, Axis Tilt, so Hands can take a Straight Path to the Ball. Also Launching Pad for Hitter.
Thanks!

Edit: I'm referring to 12-5-3 here, in case you were wondering...

I would like to piggy back on this question too . . .

Do you think a Swinger has MORE Pivot Lag than a Hitter? Or is it the same?

pivot
 

Trust me, I understand that you're not picking. I appreciated the compliment. The reason I think you've become so knowledgeable are the great questions that you ask.

My pivot is really all about my hands, per 9-1 (Emphatically). My pivot accommodates and allows my hands to do their respective jobs. The pivot simply allows my hands to take a longer straight line delivery path to the ball, so I have a longer road on which to accelerate, per 2-M-2 #3 (affecting speed). When the road is longer though, the hitter has to be very careful about over-acceleration, per 2-M-2 #1 (affecting mass).

I hope this is helpful.

Yes, this is helpful :) . To be honest, I had something in mind already before I asked the questions. I think there's a general misconception that going beyond the Top (even for the Hitter) will not produce extra Power.
It is true that the average amateur will improve their game tremendously by using a shorter stroke. There are many reasons, and one of them is because hackers have a tendency to reach maximum hand speed well before Release. The shorter the stroke, the less room there is for the golfer to overaccelerate.
However, the better player who has learned the Clubhead Lag Pressure Point technique, has great Rhythm, etc... can benefit from increased Power of the longer Stroke (2-M-2-4). An example of a long Hitter going beyond the Top is Kenny Perry (and Ted of course). There's also a counter-intuitive or psychological reason. When one stops at the Top, the player may feel that he has to put more effort into their swing in order to get the ball go a reasonable distance. Although this can create a very positive Lag Pressure sensation, other areas may suffer.

Bottom line: the general advice given around here on using a short stroke (stoping at the Top) still holds. It will help a lot more golfers than it hurts. But also keep the above in mind!

Yes
 

I'm out in California and a trip to the Swamp is probably out of the question right now, although if I ever find an excuse to be in Georgia I will be there. I am working on getting the time and money so that I can find an AI near me, or perhaps arrange some time with the great Ben Doyle.

Deitrick
 

Go to our pro contributors and check out Lee Deitrick. He's awesome and can help you locally.

Lee Dietrick...Man of the Moment In SoCal
 

I second the Lee Dietrick motion! He has the Master designation from The Golfing Machine and really knows his stuff.

In addition to TGM, he has trained under many of the country's most famous golf instructors, from Flick to Kostis to Bertholy. He was a champion athlete (wrestling) and coach and, best of all, he knows how to teach. All you guys out there on the West Coast, give him a call. You have only strokes to lose!

thanks
 

Guys, thanks for the recommendations.

The past 20 months since St. Augustine have been an experience for me. Learning TGM from all, especially Yoda and Yodasluke, has been great. But what I value most is your friendship.

If any are interested in assistance, my info is in the Pro Contributors section.

Lee Deitrick

Impressive indeed
 

Lee's resume is quite impressive. I'm even more impressed by the collegiate wrestler tag because I wrestled and was no where good enough for college. Having Lee, Ben Doyle and some others in California is great. Only problem now is deciding which one to go to.

What the heck, I might as well take lessons from as many as I can. I just need a plan to pay for it and have my wife happy at the same time. ;)

I hope I don't get under anyones skin bumping a post from 3.5 years ago but I am doing a bunch of back research on posts concerning hitting and came across this! It makes so much sense its silly, and this is supposed to be overly complex stuff that the average joe will never comprehend?

Thank you for bumping this gmbtempe.

In my humble opinion, TGM is growing by leaps and bounds thanks to the internet making it easier to learn through this forum. There are MANY newbies like me who need to see and learn from these classic posts. The information posted 3.5 years ago is every bit as relevant today. :salut:

Kevin

You're not the only one. When I started re-reading TGM (the first time I read it was about 12 years ago and I only understood about 4 pages of it) and I then asked around for some help and finally started to understand most of it, I had a bunch of those 'head slapping' moments/it makes so much sense it's silly moments.

I think I took basic Geometry about 15 years ago. I've never taken a physics course. And I went to a school that I loved going to (Coastal Carolina University), but won't be confused for MIT anytime soon. Yet, even I managed to comprehend TGM.

People interested in TGM just need to stop listening to those who never really investigated TGM who bad mouth it or claim that you need to be Albert Einstein to understand the yellow book.




3JACK

Dedication Times Two
 

Homer Kelley was my personal mentor.

The Golfing Machine, his gift to golf, has been my constant reference for thirty years.

Given that birthright and thousands of hours on the lesson tee, I know that . . .

If you can walk straight-ahead and swing your arms side-to-side, you can play a very satisfactory game of golf. One, most probably, better than you are playing now.

I made a similar statement a couple of years ago in response to a challenging post written by one of our more 'technical' members. In keeping with his equally inflamatory personality, the young man took umbrage and left the site.

:crybaby:

With all due respect to our late friend and those who would argue likewise, golf is a natural game that 'we the people' screw up with an incredible number of unnatural notions and alignments.

My business is turning Madness into Mechanics and Mechanics into Miracles.

Today, working with a late-fifties Chicago man with two removed spinal discs, we exchanged weak, 'dying quails' to the right for strong, draw shots seeking fairway and pin. He dropped twenty years and added thirty yards. We exchanged 'high fives' time and again.

It's what he came and paid for.

It's what I'm here and live for.

Working together, we made it happen.

:occasion:

I like what I am reading but the clip doesn't work