I use 29s myself and have 4 sets, so will never use anything else and don't pay any attention to the new stuff.

Whether impact location or aiming point, put your mind in the right elbow instead.

By pitch the right elbow, I meant move your elbow to the release location in a pitch attitude, leading the hands. Of course, where it is at the top of your backswing will determine how you move it. For example if you push your hands back away from you as you turn back(width swing), it will be much harder to get it in front of the right hip without some "pitching" motion of the elbow in addition to the slide/tilt. It's much easier if it's hanging down and close to the body at the top.

Your statement above - "hip slide with a delayed turn to clear a big hole for the bent right elbow" is a perfect description of the DS sequence!

My mistake - right elbow passing RIGHT hip. Ouch, trying to pass the left hip with the right elbow before release with a delayed hip turn would probably destroy your right rotator cuff. In fact your arm might fly off.

Just sold some tn 87's on eBay but will never part with my old Wilson staffs. Not that I'd ever take em out on the course again.

Do you mEan mind in elbow for training purposes and then reverting to hands? When in Crash using Homer speak.

Hip Slde and Delayed Hip Turn were changes in the 7 th I believe. Somebody crossed out the delayed hip turn photo in my 6 th and changed 12-1 and 12-2 to show slide with delayed turn..... Sorta like hogans move. Or the missing piece of vj maybe.

TN87s(Tommy Nakajima - 1987)I saw him tie for 3rd at the 88 PGA at Oak Tree in Edmond OK. Those are serious collector clubs.

Well the elbow is awfully close to the hands. I don't know if it would ever become permanently ingrained enough to shift back to the hands(speaking for myself only).

I still only have the 6th edition which I bought in 1983, and haven't even seen the 7th. I think the previous owner of your 6th ed got it right. Some guys on the WRX Hogan forum are trying to say he did something on the BS to make the pitch elbow automatic on the DS - I don't think so!

The 87's copper underlay thing was over sold I think by later day proponents. I think all the old blades from back in day had a copper underlay, or so I hear. Your 29's are just as good Id bet. Modern lofts too. Why change if you like em.

The notes in my 6th were either done by me or Lynn or me under Lynn's direction.... I honestly cant remember which are which in some instances and so I hesitated to attribute that business to the green one. Thankfully most of my notes are in pencil and can get erased , modified as more eggs hatch in the hatchery. Its a process. Most often a blind one but sometimes guided.

I have the 7th edition notes if any interest.

Thanks for the offer - I'm afraid we've hijacked your thread.

Back on topic - check this video out

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eggigbvf654&NR=1

I never would have guessed he was a deep pitch snap releaser. Just look at those positions starting at :35 with his elbow past the right hip and leading the hands with the shaft well above horizontal, at :37 with his hands ahead of the ball(line of sight) and the shaft just a little below horizontal, and then impact at :39 with perfect alignments. What great camera work catching those 3 critical positions. This is about as good as it gets!

He is 12 yards behind the PGA Tour Average in driving distance 277 vs. 289 T12 in % of drives that go 240 to 260 but to his credit t15 in ak-er-it . . . 5 from the bottom in ball speed 4 from the bottom in carry distance 106 clubhead speed . . . I know that he would stomp a mudhole in me as far as ball striking goes . . . BUT . . . I'm not convinced that this is the most "efficient" "powerful" swing model. Looks like he is moving back and hanging back to me . . . great player . . . but just sayin' . . .

Way more dynamic ways to move the club . . . Verplank's club never encounters the pulley wheel . . . One club is getting drug and one club is getting THROWN . . . One pivot is live . . . one pivot is hanging back . . . One has hips going forward one had head tilting backward . . . Not saying that Verplank ain't an awesome player . . . just not sure his swing is the model . . Pictures tell a story here . . . can see why Doyle would like it though.

Scott is a lifelong diabetic and can't generate a lot of horsepower. He's not a healthy man and tires easily. Maybe the snap release pattern is the most efficient and is why he could earn over $1.75 million last yr and over $800K so far this yr? Maybe that's why Ben teaches it?

That is a very good observation.
Having a snap release does not guarantee that one will become a big hitter - it just maximizes mechanical advantage. There are other factors in play like hand speed and pivot speed - contrast Scott Verplank's swing to say Sergio Garcia's and Bobby Schaeffer's which have a more "whiplash" effect.