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John Graham 12-02-2010 05:54 PM

I don't see the shaft head or ball.

Am I missing something?

Ok, so I blew up the picture but I'm not sure what it represents.

Hopefully, someone can help me.

That white spot is not a ball and you can clearly see the shaft just outside his left leg as straight as can be. An excellent post impact position.

Thanks for sharing that fantastic picture.

I sure wish I could keep my wrist that flat through impact.

O.B.Left 12-03-2010 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 79224)
O.B., you're a prince.

Thank you D. It takes one to know one, old boy.

Onwards and outwards and downwards.

Ob

Yoda 12-03-2010 12:59 AM

The Facts As They Are
 
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Originally Posted by John Graham (Post 79259)
I don't see the shaft head or ball.

Am I missing something?

Ok, so I blew up the picture but I'm not sure what it represents.

Hopefully, someone can help me.

That white spot is not a ball and you can clearly see the shaft just outside his left leg as straight as can be. An excellent post impact position.

This photo is exactly as I described in my post above. The 'white spot' is the ball (believe it); there is clubhead blur into it (not plainly visible per the explanation below); and the shaft was not 'caught' by the camera (you may be picking up the shadow in the crease of his left pants leg, the same effect also visible on that of the right).

These items are difficult to see -- that's why I pointed them out -- because the photo is a poor photocopy of the original I cut out of a book and sealed into the front cover of my 5th edition of TGM in 1981. The photocopy was shot through the acetate film under which I sealed the photo.

Bottom line: The facts are as I have presented them and are clearly visible -- or, in the case of the shaft, invisible -- in the original.

Because I view this as an extremely important photo, I will, at some point, turn it over to a professional and see what can be done to enhance it. One more item on an already overwhelming 'To Do' list.

:salut:

BerntR 12-03-2010 01:23 AM

Everyone who is impressed by Byron's impact alignments (and who isn't??) might want to check out Dustin Johnson at impact.

Yoda 12-03-2010 01:43 AM

Caveat Emptor
 
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Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 79208)

I just think it's strange they all have to take shots at Homer Kelley, and they all disagree about which parts to shoot at!

No wonder golfers are so confused!

The Pivot -- Homer Kelley's "massive rotor" -- and its six Components constitute fully 25 percent of the 24 identified in The Golfing Machine. Further, those six Components and their functions are grouped as Zone #1 (of three). The truth is that Homer felt that mastery of the Pivot was of paramount importance.

So, it really is quite sad when Mr. Kelley is characterized on the site mentioned as not understanding the Pivot, the rotational force it generates, the alignments it must produce and those it must maintain. Further, it is a shame to read through the posts and see the many gross misunderstandings, misstatements and mischaracterizations, all presented as fact.

But, it is what is, and it ain't my job to provide rebuttal. So, I recommend readers of all golf websites choose those concepts and procedures that work best for them (and, in the case of professionals, for their students), and leave the rest alone.

In the end, that's really all that counts.

:salut:

John Graham 12-03-2010 08:46 AM

Lynn,

Thanks for the reply.

I look forward to seeing the enhanced version some day.

KevCarter 12-03-2010 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 79264)
The Pivot -- Homer Kelley's "massive rotor" -- and its six Components constitute fully 25 percent of the 24 identified in The Golfing Machine. Further, those six Components and their functions are grouped as Zone #1 (of three). The truth is that Homer felt that mastery of the Pivot was of paramount importance.

So, it really is quite sad when Mr. Kelley is characterized on the site mentioned as not understanding the Pivot, the rotational force it generates, the alignments it must produce and those it must maintain. Further, it is a shame to read through the posts and see the many gross misunderstandings, misstatements and mischaracterizations, all presented as fact.

But, it is what is, and it ain't my job to provide rebuttal. So, I recommend readers of all golf websites choose those concepts and procedures that work best for them (and, in the case of professionals, for their students), and leave the rest alone.

In the end, that's really all that counts.

:salut:


Some folks feel it's there job to discredit all the great teachers and players who differ from their science. It's funny and sad at the same time. As long as they keep picking at you you know they're afraid of your principles.

SliceFixer said it best, all these methods can work for you, pick one and trust it. I'm happy the model I choose has a foundation that I can count on every day. What I learn today will stand the test of time and will work tomorrow.

Quote:

The Golf Stroke is all about inscribing near-perfect Circles with the orbiting Clubhead on the face of an Inclined Plane -- while simultaneously Sustaining Lag Pressure on the Clubshaft and controlling the Clubface through Impact. LYNN BLAKE
All that and more is in the book, thanks YODA and friends for helping us boneheads understand it. :salut:

Kevin

O.B.Left 12-03-2010 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 79264)

But, it is what is, and it ain't my job to provide rebuttal. So, I recommend readers of all golf websites choose those concepts and procedures that work best for them (and, in the case of professionals, for their students), and leave the rest alone.

In the end, that's really all that counts.

:salut:


Well said Lynn.

If I may, your "works best for them (and , in the case of professionals for their students)....." is very important to my mind. For though the teacher may have his personal preferred single best way, it may not be appropriate for his student. Homer knew this.....inside and out. There is no "one way"! A point that seems to be agreed upon universally even by those who appear to be method teachers, strangely.

I say this in a general sense, not sure what web site you guys are talking about. I "dont get around much any more".

innercityteacher 12-11-2010 01:16 AM

I have the most important illustration....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bumpy (Post 79452)
Perhaps it is because I have embraced the 'Darkside' but my benchmark would be based on producing an effect for the intended audience. Regarding the pane of glass, .....Quit swinging across the ball. There are a bunch of, "if you try do this, god willing, you won't do that", directed specifically at the masses(they appear to have missed the idea completely). -example- I would say the aiming point procedure is designed to produce an effect. For the player at least, I would say practicallity takes precedents over reality. The instructor should know both, without it there can be no balance in 'the force'.

Da, dot, da da, dot, da da, dot, da da.......

With good intentions,
Bumpy

.........and yes, I already have a touch of cabin fever here in Michigan.



"No, I am Spartacus!" :)


I can't get the picture to come up but here is the link to it:

http://creativesagest.blogspot.com/


Here is another link to software that will allow you to overlay "Golden Ratio" sections over anything, say like a golf swing:

http://www.atrise.com/golden-section/


Remember all those black and white photos of a golfer going back and forth at high speed?


HK, as an engineering type, knew of this picture and "proportionalism" or what the Greeks called "analogia." I will assert that he knew and understood the order and balance of human design. I think HK knew the answer ("It all works together by design!" and reverse engineered how effective golf swingsbio-mechanically worked.

ICT

Bumpy 12-11-2010 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 79474)
"No, I am Spartacus!" :)


I can't get the picture to come up but here is the link to it:

http://creativesagest.blogspot.com/


Here is another link to software that will allow you to overlay "Golden Ratio" sections over anything, say like a golf swing:

http://www.atrise.com/golden-section/


Remember all those black and white photos of a golfer going back and forth at high speed?


HK, as an engineering type, knew of this picture and "proportionalism" or what the Greeks called "analogia." I will assert that he knew and understood the order and balance of human design. I think HK knew the answer ("It all works together by design!" and reverse engineered how effective golf swingsbio-mechanically worked.

ICT

I must admit to being oblivious to the practical application of the Golden ratio to my golfswing. In fact, my proportions are more akin to an apple, Golden Delicious seems more appropriate.

Bumpy


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