Originally Posted by golfguru (Post 86389)

I have the now ancient F1 and many of the super slows in here are from its visit to Cuscowilla. 300 fps is plenty without having to wait an eternity to watch a swing :)

Thanks for the image MJ, mucho clearer what you meant.

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe (Post 86241)

compda opened the thread with a very good snap release using a non-maximum pitch elbow just on the right hip. We have seen other snap releases using the pitch elbow in front of the right hip, but is it really a necessary condition for the "best" snap? Let's look at the 2011 Masters Champ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nPXpJQQpgA&NR=1

Starting at the :32 mark, look at the shaft angles and elbow positions by clicking through the frames. The right elbow stays to the right of the right hip, but just look at that delayed wrist action. Maybe compda had it just right from the beginning?

Originally Posted by whip (Post 86431)

would i be correct in guessing that lag pressure would be harder to meter out with maximum trigger delay and snap release? as we know a shorter club can go further into release than the longer clubs. so for a player who really cranks down the snap release naturally choking up might not necessarily take any distance off of a shot, forcing the player to meter out power some other way to play a less than full power shot, and to me it seems with that short of release time lag pressure would be hard to dial in anything other than full. i suppose it depends on the player's sensations and skill. there are advantages and disadvantages to every stroke pattern. I'm sticking to random sweep

Originally Posted by whip (Post 86434)

i realize the variations are just guidelines and there are x variations and variations of variations and so forth, but IF the elbow is not in front of the hip, it is not a pitch elbow... is that not the identity of the pitch elbow? seems to me looks something like between pitch and punch, personally i have noticed most players on tour who use snap releases deliver with a punch elbow, punch in fact seems to be the most common.

charl schwartzel, louis oosthuizen, gregory havret all have pretty perfect golf swings

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 86438)

What a swing on that guy!

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe (Post 86435)

A snap release is a delay in the onset of #2 unloading until the hands just reach the right thigh(or later), You can snap easy or hard or in between by adjusting pivot thrust after getting to the late release point.

Originally Posted by whip (Post 86431)

would i be correct in guessing that lag pressure would be harder to meter out with maximum trigger delay and snap release? as we know a shorter club can go further into release than the longer clubs. so for a player who really cranks down the snap release naturally choking up might not necessarily take any distance off of a shot, forcing the player to meter out power some other way to play a less than full power shot, and to me it seems with that short of release time lag pressure would be hard to dial in anything other than full. i suppose it depends on the player's sensations and skill. there are advantages and disadvantages to every stroke pattern. I'm sticking to random sweep

Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 86444)

Pressure points don't unload until after impact in an ideal stroke. You may have just been made a quick post oversite however taken the wrong way by any particular reader - the results are disastrous. Delay in the onset of "release" is the proper termnot unloading which refers to pressure points.

Put another way, constant pressure of a pressure point to their assigned accumulator doesn't prevent the release of the assigned accumulator. Since a loss of pressure point pressure would release an accumulator, one might think that on the opposite end of the scale that constanct pressure would not release accumulators - which is not the case. Pressure of Pressure points do not impact or control the type of release in an ideal swing.

Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 86451)

I can sleep now - Thanks:salut:

Originally Posted by HungryBear (Post 86458)

Without comment;

Starting at 3:30
http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/index.p...s-Preview.html

hb

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe (Post 86456)

Hey, wake back up! I just realized that I never mentioned anything about pressure points. :naughty:

When the left wrist cocks, it loads, and when it uncocks, it unloads.

Guess you'll have to take a sleeping pill! :laughing9

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 86248)

Short answer: Yes, but you can intentionally Roll too.

Long answer:

When discussing Swinging , the typical Non Auto Throw for a full shot would be a (Left) Wrist Throw. Either an on plane intentional, Non Auto uncocking of the left wrist , with the left wrist turned flat to the plane , sequenced release , 2 then 3 or an intentional rolling of the left palm off the inclined plane for an overlapping release 3 and 2 together. It sorta tips the club head over (breaking the longitudinal) to induce CF's pull on the head or throwout, Radial Acceleration. Different Non Auto flails , both swingers flails but with different associated feels. Sequenced feels like you drag longitudinally then thow out #2 angle and let #3 roll on its own at the bottom while the other one feels more like you're rolling the #3 angle with cf undoing the #2. The guys who like the Roll version typically prefer the low elbow planes.

I wasnt addressing Ben or his teaching, more the perception held by some guys on the net that TGM swinging is strictly Auto everything, Auto Release, true swinging , with what they call "passive hands" and that hitting is an active manipulation of release ( Non Auto Release). Which isnt square with how Homer defined Swinging or Hitting. Either way the hands are clamps but thats another story.

You can swing and manipulate Release, Uncock and/or Roll as hard as you want. Stick the thing right in the ground and hard. I believe the on plane Uncocking version is the better of the two for full power shots, Swinging but to each their own.

Which is what I see in that Mike Austin video above. A Non Auto (Left) Wrist Throwout of #2 Angle with the Left Hand still turned to the INclined Plane. Despite the Non Auto Throw he did have a small pulley wheel (and high hand speed. A high overtaking rate. He was long, to say the least.)


Comdpa since you're goofing around with your Release.....try a Left Wrist Throw and see what happens to your shots. There might be some added zing to em. Its not necessarily a big throwout of #2 angle down the plane just a little toss will do it to get CF pull , throwout started. Sort of like a running start on throwout. You must delay it of course , dont do it from top. Keep the left wrist flat to plane while Drag Loading and then Throw or toss out some #2 angle at the plane line while holding the left wrist turned to plane. It'll roll off on its own at the bottom. 2 then 3. You might be shocked by how late it can still look on tape. Maybe it isnt for you but its worth experimenting with it. Start at slower speeds then build it up. You can go to fast and ruin it. CF only likes to go so fast at first but once it takes hold you can never catch up to it via muscular effort.

Originally Posted by Slazman (Post 86550)

O.B Left,
This is great stuff. Allowing the left palm to remain on the plane or parallel to the plane both to and through part of the release of the downswing (8-9)and at the say time directing the motion of the uncocking clubhead (#2 pa)at the plane line lends itself to both the geomerty of the motion but also the free flowing physics of the body to 8-12 the finish.