Yes, I'm afraid it is. The only throwout that's not throwaway is #3 Throwout. The problem with uncocking #2 early is that #3 Throwout then doesn't have enough clubhead speed to deliver to impact, unless you can make up for it with pivot speed.

The non auto left wrist throw can be early or late. If you watch Lynns video above where he demonstrates the plane of the left wrist cock you will hear him suggest that vertical left wrist motion (uncorking) makes horiZontal left wrist motion (bending, throwWay, loss of rhythm ) less likely. He puts it in a more resolute manner actually , something like " the good news is you can't do this while you're doing this" . Sorry on my phone and going from memory.

For sure you could do it early too early . But the hackers over the top problem that leads to throwaway is not the same deal.

Sequenced Release by definition will throw out #2 first.

Where does the club begin to encounter the pulley? From top? Left arm parallel to the ground? Hands at right hip high? Hands on right thigh? Hands on ding dong? Hands on left thigh? Are there options?

Loren thinks I'm pulling his leg and you got a pulley near your ding dong .....what the heck kind a thread is this?

Yes. There are options.

Ive got more time now to expand . This ones for you Bucket. Later is better for full power for any given hand speed but the road to later does not run through "holding on to it". That intention is not consistent with Homers advice. Somewhat counter intuitively he recommended a stepping stone progression through the Release Triggers the Throws. Non Auto to Auto.

My motivation for this discussion is that I see Mike Austins Release Trigger or Throw (though its open for interpretation) as demonstrated in his Biggest Lie video as being more consistent with Homer and Lynn than most folks would believe or conceive. Amongst TGM ers even.

Ive read about TGM being this and that , holding on to #2 super late, delayed release, holding your fully cocked left wrist deep, past the line of site to the ball etc. Theres no holding to anything other than the club when the hands are just clamps.

While I agree that Auto Snap Sequenced for Swingers is awesome and arguably ideal for full power shots I see it as one of a multitude of optional release patterns in Homers book. Further more and this is big for me , Homer was clear that the road to Auto Snap was not via holding on to anything but rather through a stepping stone progression of Non Auto to Auto Throws. A deliberate Triggering of Release if you will as opposed to the deliberate prevention of Release, strangely. Golf as a game opposites again. You hit down to hit it up, you throw it out to learn to delay it. Thats Homer. The other way, the hold off should not be attributed to him.

My understanding of what Lynn terms the (Non Auto) "Left" WRist Throw , the Triggering of #2 Angle Throwout is not in the book under 10-20-E as I read it.......something that gives me reason to doubt my understanding of things, honestly. But practically on the tee and in what I read from Lynn it is very real, critical actually. It is implied, however, to my mind . How could you Non Auto Trigger a Sequenced Release 2 then 3 without Triggering 2 Throwout? Its first when things are Sequenced. Talking Swinging here.... the swingers flail, the swingers prime concern per . And its labelled Standard Wrist Action. Uncock and Roll.

Mike Austin's stimulus response note is smack dab at the heart of 12-3's "Delivery Line , uncocking prep. Delivery Line Roll prep"........which is listed in the section titled "Top". Prep being key , you must prepare . To what? To uncock on line! He doesnt say Delivery Line hold the angle prep! Why would he advise that when he labels #2 angle release as "Velocity Power". Why inhibit velocity power? Let er go baby , throw it. Why inhibit hammering when hammering a nail? Mike Austin's emphasis on the uncocking as power is along the same of line of thinking I believe.

Did Mike Austin Delay? Of course he did. He couldnt have hit it 517 yards or whatever the heck it was without delayed release. Lynn's Auto Snap, when he wants to be. Neither of those two got there by holding on to anything. Im Random Sweep personally always have been , but Im getting later , getting more power and its via my experimentation with the Throws. Golf as a game of opposites.

It may seem counter intuitive but you just have to try it out if you're a Swinger. Have to unless youre already Auto Snap. My results were almost immediate, but it was under Lynns watchful eye which certainly helped. Do the Startdown Waggle as illustrated in his video . Do it with a correct Ground Up Downstroke Sequence as he illustrates , dont do it with your hands only, that wont work. It'll take a while to click in, you may need to turn off your old (and perhaps unrecognized by you) Throw. Cant use the Right Arm for anything other than Extensor Action. Gotta keep the left hand turned to plane while throwing out #2 if you want to be Sequenced. You'll feel the Pivots pull of Longitudinal at the #2 pressure point as take it to your Release Point and then throw it.

The other possibility is that Im outa step and the rest of the marching band is doing fine. Thats always a consideration.

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I am trying to find the place that would possibly explain the "circle"thing,I thought it related to the 2 bones in forearm being rotated,turned anti-clockwise at top,and then unfold forearm on downswing into the "underarm " toss,at top ,it would have to resemble ,or in fact be chicken winging,so if the toss was starting from the top into pitch,it would have to be in form of circle.........heh heh i think:eyes:

Right thigh! :salut:

But also remember, we're in 3 dimensions, so don't get hung up on the belly view.

Still not sold on this full power business....but that's OK...to you uncocking #2 left wrist throw....do you not agree that this motion is also occurring in a simultaneous release? I think the hammering vertical drill is ascribed to swinging because in both cases the sweetspot is basically laying on the plane of motion...in vertical hammering there is no need for the sweetspot to move off the plane....I think this is why Homer felt hitting was more accurate... the sweetspot gets off the face of the plane earlier and starts to look at it's target (ball/plane line) much earlier.

In your "left wrist throw" the left thumb is releasing a in a different direction to the plane line for sequenced vs. simultaneous....but the club is thrown out in both cases...but the sweetspot makes a different motion.

Why do you think that Joe?

Kevin

Don't get hung on what either Mike used as buzzwords.
He threw it around the circle (the swing arc) with the shoulders, the fastest moving part of the body, and Dunaway demonstrated that in his Iron Byron analogy.
Body, arms and hands are three separate zones and power comes from the arms, but not independently of any other part of the power package (which excludes body. The right shoulder is the last component of the body and also the first component of the power package.)

What they failed to mention is that Austin laid off the shaft in startdown, which has some benefits re: OTT and throwaway.

And he added right arm on entry to the release area. He said so, to make sure the roll to vertical wrists happened.
Study the swing sequence.

I'd say he was a nearly perfect 4-barrel swinger.
I would change the two-foot balance, right foot balance and left foot balance, and the leg straightening to what we now know (Zenolink) as good biomechanics and keep the center of mass between the feet, not on top of them. It's the natural way the body wants to move.
On top of the feet you've lost all the ground forces you could have built up in the backswing and have to recreate them.

He did not spin the hips out before impact. They pause to transfer momentum to the shoulders to build upon. The hips hit the ground forces in the front foot. Whether Mike Austin did or did not do this, angle the left foot out about 30 degrees to receive those ground forces without rolling over to the outside.

So quit looking for something with which to throw it around the circle. It's the shoulders with the hands glued to the shoulders from the Top for a very long time.

The swing sequences show all this.