Now wait a minute....I know the video you speak of....not defending it by any means...but there is another crew West Side...that advocates keeping the right arm bent to the navel too...right arm is ALWAYS seeking to straighten...

I ain't no teacher....but Kev....how many people do you see with their spine backing up? I think the right shoulder going vertical is no good...Hogan's right shoulder stayed high a long time...

The plane angle selected and the procedure selected is gonna dictate to a large extent the right shoulder geometry...it IS a DUAL AGENT no? ..... So say you got a cat that takes his hands up high and is a swinger...he's gonna have to "wait" for his arms to line up with his shoulders before he can turn them to the ball...so you are going to see the right shoulder working more vertical....

if you have a cat like A.P. the King...with low hands and a hitter....his right shoulder can turn out to the plane much earlier...due largely to where his hands are in space....so it's hard to just say...."you better not run of right arm"....you may have your right shoulder down there....but if your center is backing up...that ain't necessarily ideal.

Backing up has always been a huge problem for me as well. I should know better than to post something like that, I didn't mean to disrespect anybody, I can't even remember where I saw the video or who made it. I just remember thinking that straightening the right arm that early went against everything I am learning, I should have dug deeper into what was being dicussed...

My apologies.

Kevin

Dude...no need to apologize.....we're just talkin' G.O.L.F. ....... that post wasn't really directed at you....

Lots of ways to get 'er done. Nobody knows that better than Bucket!

For me, talking G.O.L.F. YODA and his ideas have been magical for me, and have been a huge help to my students as well. TGM and so much more...

Gotta keep the blinders off and realize there are many great teachers with many great ways to play the game. Even Homer Kelley made some statements that lead me to believe nobody knew that better than the man himself. :golf:

We teach "feel is not real" and many feels we may not agree with can get some folks into beautiful alignments depending upon where they started.

You are right Bucket, no need for me to apologize, simply a little slap to myself as a reminder... :oops: :) :salut:

Kevin

If the right wrist is kept level and the right arm is straightened early, #2 power accumulator is thrown away. So the only possible way to retain #2, is to cock the right wrist, which you have been trained not to do. :salut:

Therefore, you have nothing to apologize for! :naughty:

Running out of right arm is basically another name for a flip, right?

So this is about rhythm. If you straighten your right arm early your arms & club are out of sync with the shoulder motion already. I guess you can do that late in the down stroke and get away with it, but it is not what I prefer to do.

IMO the easiest way to avoid running out of right arm is to start with two straight arms and move the hands with the shoulders. I keep both arms as straight as possible when I chip. I've tried the alternatives, but unless a chip-putt is called for, this is what works best for me. And when I do a chip-putt, the shoulders are more rocking than turning and the stroke is even more pivot driven - with two elbows that are more or less frozen bent.

If the stroke is pivot driven through the ball you will never run out of right arm.

In my mind they are seperate issues BerntR. I think of running out of right arm as having to do with the right elbow (right handed golfer) and a flip having to do with the left wrist alignments through impact...

Kevin

Good points Joe, maybe trying to be TOO politically correct. :)

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I have accumulated four books written by Henry Cotton and have been working on something he states consistently. The downswing starts in the same manner as the hands ringing a bell. I used to think this meant the hands move straight down is what he is referring to. Now I realize that the hands move to the right from the top of the backswing, increasing the left wrist cock slightly, the pulling the arrow out of the quiver feel referred to by Homer Kelley. I feel this in PP2, but do not initiate it with pp2. It saves a lot of right arm at impact, really helps keeping the right elbow bent for a long time in the downswing. Mind in the hands, recognizing feel and using pressure points are two different things.

One of Lynn's older videos talks about the power created when you start the body down from top while extensor action pushes the club further away. I think it was part of Alignment Golf. Great stuff!

Kevin