Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 77330)

Air,
First congratulations - posting at a 3.79 posts per day - clip - that's Ted Williams type stuff - even Bucket's a mere 1.91 post per day - at this rate you'll be LBG Hall of Fame material! :salut:

Air,
As long as the clubface "horizontal" alignment i.e. taking the loft out of the equation (we know that there is going to be backspin) and the clubhead path are on the line of compression - you'll hit a straight shot. If you've played the ball back far enough in your stance - "up plane" - then you'd need to have the plane line well left of the target line - in order to produce that straight shot.

Let's assume that the hinge action is "dual horizontal" - let's assume you're using a Sandwedge. Let's assume from a clubshaft parallel to the ground until the clubshaft has reached low point that the clubface closes 90 degrees - like a door. Now let's assume that the orbit length for that clubhead is 45 inches - from that parallel clubshaft halfway down location to that vertical clubshaft at lowpoint - Every inch of travel allows 2 degrees of clubface closing. Say you impact the ball 9 inches before low point - then your face is pointing 18 degrees right of target - the only way to hit that straight at the target is to have an open plane line. Hence, your straight shot at the target - with a divot 16 -18 degrees left of target. Completely legit - appropriate - and correct. Moral of the story- a divot well left of target isn't always a bad thing.

Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 77330)

Air,
First congratulations - posting at a 3.79 posts per day - clip - that's Ted Williams type stuff - even Bucket's a mere 1.91 post per day - at this rate you'll be LBG Hall of Fame material! :salut:

Air,
As long as the clubface "horizontal" alignment i.e. taking the loft out of the equation (we know that there is going to be backspin) and the clubhead path are on the line of compression - you'll hit a straight shot. If you've played the ball back far enough in your stance - "up plane" - then you'd need to have the plane line well left of the target line - in order to produce that straight shot.

Let's assume that the hinge action is "dual horizontal" - let's assume you're using a Sandwedge. Let's assume from a clubshaft parallel to the ground until the clubshaft has reached low point that the clubface closes 90 degrees - like a door. Now let's assume that the orbit length for that clubhead is 45 inches - from that parallel clubshaft halfway down location to that vertical clubshaft at lowpoint - Every inch of travel allows 2 degrees of clubface closing. Say you impact the ball 9 inches before low point - then your face is pointing 18 degrees right of target - the only way to hit that straight at the target is to have an open plane line. Hence, your straight shot at the target - with a divot 16 -18 degrees left of target. Completely legit - appropriate - and correct. Moral of the story- a divot well left of target isn't always a bad thing.

Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 77369)

BUT WE ARE AMATEURS, DARYL :laughing9

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 77117)

For Horizontal Hinge Action (Ideal Compression), the Clubface is Open at Impact and Square only at Separation (1-L #17).

And, using approximate 'clock' terms, the Center of the Ball is at 7:00 at Impact and at 6:00 -- and precisely On Line -- at
Separation.

Study 2-C-1 (Linear Force -- The Ideal Application) and Sketches 2-C-1 #1, #2A & B and #3.

:salut:

Originally Posted by John Graham (Post 77404)

Let's assume that the face rotation is this much during contact with the ball (which is debateable) and the face at separation is directly at the target line but the clubhead path is still traveling downward, outward and forward at this point.

Face pointing at target at separation, club continues down plane with path to the right even if parallel.

This is not a straight shot unless mishit on the heel causing some gear effect which eliminates draw spin axis.

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The above image is of an inclined plane. There is only point on that plane that is more right than all the others. If that point points at the target and the ball impact is separated anytime before that point(while pointing at the target), the path of the club is going down, out and forward.

No straight shot.

Originally Posted by John Graham (Post 77404)

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The above image is of an inclined plane. There is only point on that plane that is more right than all the others. If that point points at the target and the ball impact is separated anytime before that point(while pointing at the target), the path of the club is going down, out and forward.

No straight shot.

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 77415)

Exactly what point is that? Can I hit a High straight or a Low straight shot?

Originally Posted by gmbtempe (Post 77405)

I agree with this....will it be a ball that starts straight and falls a tad left or would the ball start off just right of the target and draw back?