Nice artwork Nuke...Loading action.....Resisting versus throwing it on to the pressure point??????..Directly opposed to the on-plane loading action.......NICE!!!! Loading Action...

Just when you thought this thread couldn't get any better . . .

You have just driven home a very very subtle point that is easy for a lot of savy Machinist to miss . . . Great pictures!

If you had the face on view, would the swinger's shaft BOW more assuming there were enough lag pressure to get'r done?

Also . . . Would that be a DOWEL laying at Easy E's feet?



RIP

Great pics Ted - really captures the 'feel' difference of the loading action - side of the shaft (hitter) vs top of shaft (swinger)

Not to take this thread off on a tangent, but these pictures suggest that plane angle may (or may not) be a factor in the rotation of the pressure point.

The flatter the plane angle, the more likely the pressure point would not 'need' to rotate, the steeper the plane angle, the more the pressure point would need to rotate, to stay on plane - everything else being equal that is. Always exceptions (Nicklaus and Hogan for example) - both of whom had to actively 'do' something with their hands (single vs standard wrist action). Perhaps those 'opposite trends' helped them never go left :)

EdZ, I like your post. Could you explain further, the
exception, that Hogan used. Did Hogan use rotating lag
pressure? I have a hard time seeing the rotation in
pictures of his swing. Thanks, Donn.

In photos where he has the 'cup' (double wrist action), you can see it (page 63 5 Lessons, although not a good angle)- pretty much a given if you have a 10-2-A grip and a cup at the top, especially with a startup swivel.

All of those combine to a very open clubface, which let Hogan fire as hard as he wanted through the shot and never fear that he would close the clubface. The same thing with a steeper plane angle would risk a high right side and a pull or pull hook IMO. In a sense, Hogan almost used 'getting stuck' to his advantage (see page 91 and 95) - which the flatter plane angle allowed, but a steeper one (ala Byron or Watson) wouldn't.

never go left...
 

I think that you could throw both of those guys in the "never go left" category.

Hogan hated going left almost as much as he hated putting in the later years.

clubhead/clubface
 

Thanks Bucket,

I'll try to give you my perspective when Hitting. I see both the lines at Address. I imagine a dowel laying in front of the ball as my Ball Line of Flight. And, I imagine a dowel laying in front of the ball as the extension of the 10-5-E Plane Line, out to right field.

I use the first dowel to align my Clubface. Once I'm done with the Clubface alignment, that imaginary dowel evaporates. Then, the only thing is see is the Clubhead covering the Plane Line (the 2nd imaginary dowel) in my waggle above the ball.

As an aside: The same 'matching' of Clubface and Plane Line can be Deadly in a bunker, when using Open-Open.

As we have mentioned Neophite Hitters in this thread and as I consider myself to be one, Ted, could you post a picture with actual dowels on the ground to illustrate what you were talking about in your latest post, i.e. one to represent the Line of flight of the ball and one "as the extension of the 10-5-E Plane Line, out to right field". It would help with the age old question, how far out to right are we talking, atleast for your pattern?

Gea
 

The guy on GEA said I could pull and push at the same time (the only thing that Homer said couldn't happen). He said Swinging and Hitting were the same thing. It was just someone's perspective that made the feelings different. I think he needed to do some more :study: !

Hey Teddy ...why did my right elbow hurt like he77?..Oh yeah let's not do that again.....