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kmmcnabb 10-11-2006 12:58 PM

Ordered but not in yet
 
Ordered both from Bobby Shave. Not in yet, but expecting the DVD and book soon.

Will keep up as I go.

dkerby 10-12-2006 11:58 AM

The Secret of Hogan's Swing
 
Just read the new book, The Secret of Hogan's Swing by
Tom Betrand. Betrand was an assistant to John Schlee,
one of the few to receive personall instruction from Hogan.
According to Schlee, the missing link to Hogan's secret is
a rotation of the left elbow toward the left hip to square
the clubface through impact. The book lists, in order of time,
the other concepts of the secret by othe authors and players.
An iteresting mention is the arms turned in at address.
Schlee says that Hogan did not do it due to physical problems
due to the accident, but did bring the arms close together
later in his swing. The middle of the book rambles along
about the troubled life of John Schlee. Pictures of Betrand,
showing the Hogan fundementals, were a little overdone. For
those interested in Hogans Secrets, the book may give you
some things to think about.

Yoda 10-12-2006 09:18 PM

Warning: This Book Could Be Hazardous To Your Golf Swing
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dkerby

The middle of the book rambles along about the troubled life of John Schlee. Pictures of Betrand, showing the Hogan fundamentals, were a little overdone. For those interested in Hogans Secrets, the book may give you some things to think about.

Thanks for the post, Donn. Interestingly, I had always been interested in knowing more about John Schlee in his later years. I knew it was a sad story, but until now, didn't know much about it. I'm glad to have learned...the rest of the story.

I read the book in a sitting at Barnes & Noble. The Power Package alignments should come with a warning label. Regarding Hogan 'secrets' and the mystique surrounding them, all I can say is...

Thank God for Homer Kelley.

hg 10-12-2006 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda
Thanks for the post, Donn. Interestingly, I had always been interested in knowing more about John Schlee in his later years. I knew it was a sad story, but until now, didn't know much about it. I'm glad to have learned...the rest of the story.

I read the book in a sitting in Barnes & Noble. The Power Package alignments should come with a warning label. Regarding Hogan 'secrets' and the mystique surrounding them, all I can say is...

Thank God for Homer Kelley.


I took a 2-day weekend group lesson from John Schlee in the '80's....interesting person....he taught the importance of having a very set pre-shot routine that included breathing in and out prior to swinging. He talked about how he lost the Open because he was distracted during an important shot and did not start his routine over prior his swing...it seemed to trouble him that he did not restart the whole swing routine. He was a tall fellow...I recall that he taught that one could make an entire swing with all the weight on the front foot. He could really hit the ball long. He told me that I needed to learn how to start my downswing with a forward knee move to the target. He taught at the Olympia Golf Facility near La Costa.

dkerby 10-18-2007 06:42 PM

The Final Piece of Ben Hogan's Secret Puzzle
 
For the Hogan fans, I think that this is one of the best books written
and could be the missing link to Hogan's secret. The book is written
by V.J. Trolio with Dave Hamilton. Pg24 "THE MISSING PIECE IS THE
LATERAL MOVEMENT OF BEN HOGAN'S HIPS FORWARD AND OVER
HIS LEFT LEG, PRIOR TO THE COMPLETION OF HIS BACKSWING. V.J.
did some excellent research and has some great pictures to back up
his findings.

drewitgolf 10-18-2007 07:28 PM

Lets NOT keep this a Secret
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dkerby (Post 46121)
The book is written
by V.J. Trolio with Dave Hamilton.

A book you say??
By V.J.?
V.J. did you write a secret book???

12 piece bucket 10-18-2007 10:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewitgolf (Post 46122)
A book you say??
By V.J.?
V.J. did you write a secret book???


http://thefinalmissingpiece.com/purchase.html

Sounds interesting . . . Can I borrow $30???

Bagger Lance 10-18-2007 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 46125)

Sounds interesting . . . Can I borrow $30???

Don't do it!
He'll just spend it on back hair remover!

dkerby 10-19-2007 11:24 AM

V.J. Book on Hogan
 
If you buy 4 copies, the price drops to $19.95
The telephone number for ordering is 800-898-0701
The hard copy is coming out in November

Sure would like to see some post on how Homers geometry
and such things as flying wedges relate to Hogan's moves.

I love the V.J.s book

12 piece bucket 10-27-2007 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagger Lance (Post 46126)
Don't do it!
He'll just spend it on back hair remover!

YOU BASTARD!!! You out'ed me!!! I thought you'd put that secret in your "special place."

How's that cream working on the rash by the way?

Where is Mike O? He ain't been 'round much? Must have finally saved up enough to buy that Barney suit.

Bagger Lance 10-28-2007 11:15 AM

Halloween Reading
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 46231)

Where is Mike O? He ain't been 'round much? Must have finally saved up enough to buy that Barney suit.

Funny you should ask in this thread.
Rumor has it he is writing his own book. He wanted my input on the possible titles - "My Cinderella Story", "My Scratch Game", "A Good Walk Soiled", "The Beginners Guide to Choosing your Foursome" and one other called "The Greatest Player who Never Lived". I had to break the news that the last title was taken.

12 piece bucket 10-28-2007 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagger Lance (Post 46242)
Funny you should ask in this thread.
Rumor has it he is writing his own book. He wanted my input on the possible titles - "My Cinderella Story", "My Scratch Game", "A Good Walk Soiled", "The Beginners Guide to Choosing your Foursome" and one other called "The Greatest Player who Never Lived". I had to break the news that the last title was taken.

I think you got that wrong . . . He told me that he was writing a book on adult diapers and all the physics, alignments and biomechanics involved. It's going to be a Yellow Book like the Machine for obvious reasons. Now he's just trying to come up with the words to fit his anacronimonythingie D.U.M.P. the Computer Age Approach to Potty Perfection.

walker 04-13-2008 10:30 AM

TGM Lite?
 
Has anyone come across a book called "Making Sense of The Golfing Machine"?

hg 04-13-2008 02:50 PM

And how about "Swing Like A Pro"....has anyone checked that one out?:)

Scottgas2 04-13-2008 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 28016)
I strongly endorse Bill Mehlhorn's book.

In August 1990, I met Bobby Shave, the co-author and inspiration behind the book and the guy who recorded the sessions. [The book is basically a transcription of several Q&As with members of the Florida International University golf team in Miami.] Later, I spent time with him hitting shag balls and talkin' golf in an open field near his home in Homestead, Florida. Two years later, Hurricane Andrew destroyed the city, and I lost contact.

The personal history and stories are great -- Hagen, Hogan, Vardon, Sarazen, Diegel, Armour, Picard, Runyan, Bulla, Demaret, Locke, Boros, Jones...they're all there -- and to this day, I use several of his drills in most every Academy class and private lesson. Drill I educates the Pivot with its Weight Transfer. Drill II educates the Arms and Hands in their Body-Related Hinge Action. Drill III educates the Hands as to their Basic Fanning Motion. Drill IV, the Right Forearm Takeaway and return to Impact Fix. With Drill V, you can actually 'see' the Plane. Drills VI-XIII are more of the same, and Plate IX illustrates the golfing Ideal from a down-the-line view -- "the arms swinging up, down and up as the legs rotate the body."

Get the book.

Read it.

Study it.

You'll be glad you did.

:)

Yoda,
Bobby Shave (channelling Melhorn) doesn't stress extensor action much. As such, he recommends a very soft left arm position at the top without wrist cock. Maybe he just relies on downswing loading.

GPStyles 06-30-2008 12:43 PM

Got "Swing Like a Pro: The Breakthrough Scientific Method of Perfecting Your Golf Swing" recommended to me by Amazon. Its by Ralph Mann & Fred Griffin.

Anyone familiar with it?
Hit or miss?

Yoda 06-30-2008 05:48 PM

Mehlhorn Magic
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scottgas2 (Post 51964)

Yoda,
Bobby Shave (channelling Mehlhorn) doesn't stress extensor action much. As such, he recommends a very soft left arm position at the top without wrist cock. Maybe he just relies on downswing loading.

Extract the principles of the Mehlhorn text -- Body Rotation (Zone 1 / the Pivot and Balance); Free Arm Swing (Zone 2 / Power and Clubhead Force); and the Vertical Left Wrist and 'Direct Line' (Zone 3 / Closing Only Clubface and Plane). Also, embrace Wild Bill's thoughts on ball control and course management.

As always, avoid extremes and 'ungolf-like' motions.

Finally, get the Mehlhorn DVDs and emulate what you see. Also, note his exceptional emphasis on the Right Forearm and its participation in the Stroke. Unfortunately, that emphasis was captured only by 'The Man' himself. It is absent in the transcriptions of his taped conversations that form the text of the book.

:)

DennyAlberts 07-01-2008 03:09 AM

With all due respect to Yoda and all others who have attempted to pen the movement of the golf swing ,there is "THE GUY' who has the greatest book EVER--------------------------------and as of now it is in his head and will Never be publised for $39 or any other price ----------- for the
same reason you would not sell your child.
Maybe if Lynn had not been scared off by Tomesello in 83 (and lost 20 years)and changed his focas from GOLF to makeing money then things would be different.
Homer and MAC without concern for EGO , POWER or MONEY wanted to answer one simple question

HOW DO YOU HIT A GOLF BALL

Yoda 07-01-2008 08:18 AM

Fiction . . . Not Fact
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denny (Post 54063)

Maybe if Lynn had not been scared off by Tomesello in 83 . . .

Never happened, Denny. In fact, Tommy was a non-event in my golf operations. He moved from Georgia to South Carolina in 1982, and I never saw or talked to him again.

Also, I didn't cease business until the summer of 1984, more than a year after Homer Kelley died.

Better check your facts . . . Somebody's been feeding you some very bad information!

:laughing9

Yoda 07-01-2008 08:31 AM

One Less On the Shelf
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by denny (Post 54063)

. . . there is "THE GUY' who has the greatest book EVER--------------------------------and as of now it is in his head and will Never be publised . . .

"To know and not act is not to know."

:)

efnef 07-01-2008 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by denny (Post 54063)
With all due respect to Yoda and all others who have attempted to pen the movement of the golf swing ,there is "THE GUY' who has the greatest book EVER--------------------------------and as of now it is in his head and will Never be publised for $39 or any other price ----------- for the
same reason you would not sell your child.
Maybe if Lynn had not been scared off by Tomesello in 83 (and lost 20 years)and changed his focas from GOLF to makeing money then things would be different.
Homer and MAC without concern for EGO , POWER or MONEY wanted to answer one simple question

HOW DO YOU HIT A GOLF BALL

Denny-- please correct me if I am wrong, but I assume "THE GUY" you are referring to is Mac O'Grady. His website (again, I ASSUME is it his) indicates that, at least as of 2005, that he would be publishing his research. Could you offer any further insights? Thanks!

This is the link to the website I am referring to above:

http://www.macogradygolfschools.com/

Augusta Golf 10-13-2008 12:41 PM

Trying to find the out-of-print book "Golf" by Bob MacDonald. Found a few books co-authored by a Bob MacDonald but published in the 60's. Not sure if this is the same guy.

well01 10-13-2008 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by efnef (Post 54068)
Denny-- please correct me if I am wrong, but I assume "THE GUY" you are referring to is Mac O'Grady. His website (again, I ASSUME is it his) indicates that, at least as of 2005, that he would be publishing his research. Could you offer any further insights? Thanks!

This is the link to the website I am referring to above:

http://www.macogradygolfschools.com/

I know someone who talks with Mac every now and then. And Mac told him he won't publish anything unless it is perfect then he said nothing in golf is ever perfect. Not sure what exactly that means but it sounds like he won't be publishing it.:crybaby:

Yoda 10-13-2008 01:17 PM

False Advertising
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Augusta Golf (Post 56563)

Trying to find the out-of-print book "Golf" by Bob MacDonald. Found a few books co-authored by a Bob MacDonald but published in the 60's. Not sure if this is the same guy.

I've ordered (and received) those books. Not only is it not the 'same guy', there is no Bob MacDonald at all in those books!

Caveat Emptor!

P.S. There were several copies available on various sites when I first posted on the book a couple of years ago. I named names. Almost immediately the price went from under $100 to in excess of $300. Then, the supply disappeared. 'Ol Yoda learned a lesson on that one!

:(

airair 01-17-2011 11:36 AM

What about Paul Runyan: The short way to lower scoring.
Nobody has mentioned this book. I wonder why?

gmbtempe 01-17-2011 03:03 PM

Interesting reading through this old thread lots of "good book for a swinger" but did not see the reciprocal of that for a hitter.

Is there any good books for those of us who use right arm powered swing, other than you know, TGM?

airair 01-17-2011 03:11 PM

Since I am incapable of getting anything out of reading TGM, I have today ordered these books after reading this thread:

1 "How to Play Your Best Golf All the Time"
Tommy Armour; Paperback; $0.01

1 "Golf Manual"
Alex Hay; Hardcover; $4.17

1 "The Mechanics of Golf"
Alex Hay; Paperback; $1.05

1 "Four Magic Moves to Winning Golf"
Joe Dante; Paperback; $5.99

1 "How to Feel a Real Golf Swing: Mind-Body Techniques from Two of Golf's Greatest Teachers"
Bob Toski; Paperback; $0.01

5 books for 11 dollars + shipping (which is much more).

I already have Percy Boomer: On learning Golf.
and Paul Runyan's book.

That should keep me busy ...

drewitgolf 01-17-2011 03:11 PM

Silver "Surfer" Scot
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gmbtempe (Post 81479)
Interesting reading through this old thread lots of "good book for a swinger" but did not see the reciprocal of that for a hitter.

Is there any good books for those of us who use right arm powered swing, other than you know, TGM?

Tommy Armour, "How to Play Your Best Golf All the Time".

CHRIS71 08-15-2011 06:47 PM

On Learning Golf-Percy Boomer: Great stuff hear
Swing the Clubhead-Ernest Jones: Classic
Inner Game of Tennis-Timothy Gallwey: Top shelf
Shape Your Swing the Modern Way: Byron Nelson: I like it
The Golfing Machine-Homer Kelly: The Bible
Practical Golf-John Jacobs: From across the pond

O.B.Left 08-15-2011 07:59 PM

Daryl? Is that you? I missed you buddy...

JerryG 08-18-2011 03:11 PM

After my introduction to TGM nearly all the books listed that I have read have much more meaning and make a lot more sense. There is depth in each of them I had never seen before.
Mr. Boomer's book has become an old reliable.

whip 08-28-2011 06:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 81480)
Since I am incapable of getting anything out of reading TGM, I have today ordered these books after reading this thread:

1 "How to Play Your Best Golf All the Time"
Tommy Armour; Paperback; $0.01

1 "Golf Manual"
Alex Hay; Hardcover; $4.17

1 "The Mechanics of Golf"
Alex Hay; Paperback; $1.05

1 "Four Magic Moves to Winning Golf"
Joe Dante; Paperback; $5.99

1 "How to Feel a Real Golf Swing: Mind-Body Techniques from Two of Golf's Greatest Teachers"
Bob Toski; Paperback; $0.01

5 books for 11 dollars + shipping (which is much more).

I already have Percy Boomer: On learning Golf.
and Paul Runyan's book.

That should keep me busy ...

sounds like you need to see an authorized instructor to help you understand the golfing machine. my vote for best swing book is how to feel a real golf swing which is more Davis love than toski

DrWho 08-25-2012 06:10 PM

Forgot all about Dante's book, one of my first books I bought on Golf. I also like Golf Fundamentals by Seymour Dunn. - just a cool book. What most of these books lack is a sense of terminology, a vocabulary to explain Physics and Geometry, perhaps Homer's greatest contribution to the golf stroke.


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