Perhaps a 4 barrel hitter needs to load that way?
Start down is the same as swinging.
Isn't punch or pitch elbow position defined at the release point?

Bagger

It's because he's using the 10-5-E Plane Line which will make the elbow look like it's "pitch."

Ted - would I be correct in assuming that your plane line is right of intended target, and at separation, the clubface is 'closed' to the plane line but 'open (right of)' the intended target line? Would produce a shot that starts left of the plane line, right of the target line and draws toward the target.

Bruce

There are TWO lines . . . the clubface adheres to the true geometric 10-5-A plane, which for hitters purposes is the TARGET LINE. The ball leaves at right angles to leading edge. BUT for the hitter . . . he is using the SURROGATE 10-5-E Plane Line . . . the OUT TO RIGHT FIELD LINE.

So the THRUST OF THE RIGHT FOREARM IS OUT TO RIGHT FIELD, but the leading edge's relationship is to the TARGET LINE not the 10-5-E Plane Line. So take that stumpy nub Right Forearm and PUSH IT OUT PUSH IT OUT WAY OUT! That's your THRUST DIRECTION . . . BUT you want to make absolutely certain that you keep your paddlewheel motion and don't let CF make you into a Horizontal Hinger because that ='s hello left jungle where the elephants go to die . . . DEEEEEP DARK RECESSES OF THE LEFT FORREST.

Ballgame! . . . HOw about that geometric dealie-oo that gives us the relationship of the 10-5-A to the 10-5-E?

Naught Plus Naught Equals Naught Carry the Naught . . . Double-Naught Spy

Nice one Bagger! How come I didn't think of that :rolleyes: . I like that answer. Looking at the "Hitters Row" video of Ted in the Gallery, it looks like his hands are Turned to the Plane at Release Point (suggesting Standard Wrist Action which goes hand in hand with a Pitch Basic Elbow as Annikan said).
I believe you can't get the amount of delayed release in Ted's swing without doing the above. If he was really Drive Loading, it would look more like 10-19-A #1 (note the photo is with Zero Wrist Action, so in reality there would be a little more Wristcock).

Could Ted be a Four Barrel Swinger? :eyes: :naughty: :happy3:

loading, not position
 

7-3, (one of my favorite parts of the whole book)...directly opposed to the motion of On Plane Loading Action of the entire Primary Lever Assembly...

Hitting and Swinging are all about the Loading Action. It's the physics that make them different, not just positions. It's a point that I try to make time after time. I think Annikan and I were on the same page with this, when we met.

I've got my work computer here at the house tonight. Let me see if I can get a pic to show you (if I can get it sent from one computer to the other). It might make more sense.

Give me a minute...

Awwww hell naw!!!! No you didn't.

Teddy Ballgame . . . Please set the record straight . . . You demonstrated to me how the 10-5-E plane line can make you LOOK LIKE you got Pitch in your Punch. But it's still Punch. Perspective . . .

unlike others...
 

There are some on other sites that have made the same statement. Trust that I know yours is in jest, but they think they know what they're spewing is fact. I won't mention names to protect the innocent, but here's the 411 from Mr. Kelly himself.

Homer on 4 barrel swinging:
"there's no point in 4 barrel swinging"
"there's no real advantage"
"if you try to exceed momentum transfer, it will resist"

4 barrel swingers live in the Land of OZ.

Right on Mr. Nuke.

Those that think they are 4 barrel swinging, really don't know hitting.

Hitting is an all out push with the right arm that drives the ball to the earths core. It's a shotputter effort, a one handed pushup, a hard steady press of a shovel into soft earth with just the right arm. The only thing that stops the driving right arm is that you will dislocate the left arm from it's shoulder socket at both arms straight if you don't stop driving. OK I'm being a bit exuberant, but the point is there is a significant effort and centrifigal force just doesn't stand a chance.

Bagger

loading action
 

First, we use the same shoe company. That's where the similarities end. ;) It's Els if you didn't recognize the legs.

Loading and the #3 pressure point:

Hitter has a Fixed Lag Pressure Point (10-11-0-3), and Swingers have a Rotating Lag Pressure Point.

I think you can clearly see in the picture that Els is Loading the top of the shaft, as the entire shaft is laying on the knuckle. And, I'm Loading the back of the shaft, as the shaft and left arm look to be laying in the first joint. He takes a 5 Iron to End, and I'm taking a Driver to Top.

I've drawn the arrow to ask, where would I feel the Load?