Do you mean Pitch Elbow.....how 'bout Hogan. His elbow was in front of him.

Agreed, I'm one myself, but I think you mean Random Sweep. Full Sweep means no Delay what so ever.....a great shot to have, around the green.


Single and Standard both arrive at the same position at Top and On Plane. The difference lies in how they get there. Think of it as the backswings version of Sequenced vs Overlapping Release Motions. There are implications to the Pressure Points, which ones are loaded , when and how. But that said Hitters dont have to use Single for total motion anyways....it'd make a lot of sense especially for a Drive Loader but there are no "musts", I dont think. Two hands on the club maybe, if possible. A 4B Hitter could Standard Wrist Action his way to End , load the Knuckle , Drag in Startdown and then Drive in Release, I believe.

But I do agree that it is the best way. "As ye go back, so shall ye come doon" in Scottish. I think a lot of it has to do with which Lag Pressure Point you are loading personally. The so called "direction of loading" can have a corresponding Wrist Action. Hogan loaded his knuckle for a half wedge shot say , so he had to get his Right Palm under the plane , his Left Hand Swiveled to the Plane to load that #3 pp at the Knuckle and Load his Left Wrist. He was Loaded for Dragging and then Throwing Out (Automatic Wrist Throw, Release Trigger) of his #2 Angle down the Inclined Plane and at the Plane Line , Sequenced Release... 2 then 3, Golfer Flail. A Drive Loader hitting a half wedge would load the Index Finger and the Right Elbow and then Drive against the #1 on the AFt of the Shaft, all with less Wrist Action accordingly. The former Throws out his #2 with his Right Palm to the underside of the Plane the latter fires his #1 which pushes the Left Hand off the Plane and triggers an simultaneous Release.

I totally agree. Like a lot of Homers classifications ...you have the two extremes and then the full spectrum in between. Its up to you and your common sense to determine what is useful......some of it gets very un common or un golf like. Like Snap Loading in Total Motion say, not common in the least , but it is possible.

At the risk of sounding like a simpleton, which I am, I really like that last paragraph O.B. I haven't thought of it like that, and it really widens the spectrum for me! :salut:

Kevin

Thanks KeV just made that one up on the fly. Well after reading the book and looking at some of those un golf like poses. I've learned to love em

I like the way you read the book as well, OBLeft!

Thanks man, it ain't easy. We need to help each other as best we can or none of us will make out of here alive.

:study: :BangHead: &B
:salut:

http://www.golfdigest.com/golf-instr...ricker#slide=1

As analysis by golf digest today on its website:

1. The key to Stricker's swing is, it has fewer moving parts: It's a stiff-wristed action controlled by a big body turn.

2. He generates power by turning his body and rotating his forearms back and through, compared to the last-second snap of the wrists you see in many top players.

Picture 11 shows that Steve is setting up with slight right wrist bend and hands close to left instead of mid body position.

Picture 17 shows his right forearm rotation as a swinger.

So, is Steve, a swinger with impact (hands) address not at mid body position?

True 'dat Canadian brother from another mother!
 

It is so true!:)

IC T

credit where credit is due
 

back story to this post...I would like to thank 12piecebucket! if it were not for his posts on golfwrx and an experience with a morad instructor who deemed the golfing machine too complex, i would have never found the golfing machine and my golf game would still be in disarray. I would forever be searching for answers that were in the yellow book all along....

12piecebucket's pictures of tiger woods and david toms reminded me of this thread and david toms' particular case.

one day prior to any knowledge of TGM, I was reading an online post with pictures of andy plummer and mike bennett, I had no interest in attempting this--at the time--current swing fad "stack n' tilt" but was curious as to the theory and application behind the methodology. When looking at the pictures i noticed something i had never heard mentioned before in any golf publication. When i looked at my swing, my elbow was in front of my hip whereas(either plummer or bennett I don't remember who) was executing what i now know as push elbow. I looked at this difference of elbow positions and something went off in my head, i began to look at different players and noticed different elbow positions. This is what at first, lead me to the golfing machine. In researching these elbow positions (and forearm positions) i noticed something especially unusual about david toms' right forearm at impact. it was much more bent at impact than others. It was pointing beyond the plane line....

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in this picture, david toms' right forearm is not in line with the clubshaft. The clubshaft is not being supported by the driving right arm, instead appears to be passively pulled through impact from a punch position. This is possible by a fully uncocked left wrist, a drop of the head in the downstroke, the preserving of the near fully bent right arm deep into the downstroke via the pivot--even up to impact, until the right arm is finally pulled through impact by the left arm as the pivot continues to turn, causing late extension of the arms. Like an accordion, that right arm bends and extends but with its effortless checkrein action. In toms' case, he does not rely on a driving right arm for power, he relies on the extremely late release of the arms and the flat left wrist being pulled through impact by the body power of the pivot train. Toms is not the only one with this move, older videos and pictures of hunter mahan had very similar moves and the same appearance of the forearm pointing beyond the plane line, drop of the head, very late extension of the arms and a pivot, that like the energizer bunny, just keeps on going.



aside from that explanation, here is my reasoning. If the right arm is that bent at impact and pointing beyond the plane line i do not think it is possible to drive with the right arm because when you attempt to drive the right arm it straightens in a straight line and when the shaft is not in line with the right forearm at impact it cannot be supported by it and if driven, would drive the club WELL outside the ball and plane. If you try to make a manipulative drive to keep it on a plane even if the pivot is perfectly timed to accomodate this... you automatically induce a guiding, pulling of the right arm by the left arm. the right tricep which extends the right arm in a straight line, is the muscle which powers the active #1 accumulator for the hitter. To me this would be an impossibility for toms....

of course only david toms can know



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9WdN...ture=endscreen

Toms doing the High School Hips drill. Love it!

Whip, I noticed the fully un cocked left wrist in that picture right away as well. Do you have more pics of Toms at impact. Was this a common thing for him. Doesn't that tell us he's lost #2 a little early creating a bit of a power leak? Sure can't argue with his success, I would LOVE to see him keep it going!

Great work here Whip!!!

Kevin

around vs. out
 

Thoughts:
Swingers- Pivot is for OUT

Hitters- Pivot is for AROUND

Why?
The swing- left shoulder is moving up plane during release.
The hit- right shoulder is moving down plane during release.

enough for now - I can expand but these are my thoughts.

hb

Swinging and Hitting for Mudd
 

I believe back in the day I saw Jodie Mudd use both motions on TV...one instance at the 1991 US Open at Hazeltine...on the final round used the swinging motion off the tee on number 16 (par 4) with a 2 wood 12 degee...hit a big hook. Used the 3 quarter hitting motion out of deep rough. Also, saw Jodie use the hitting motion on TV at Riveria on the par 3 16th.

Jodie was one helluva player.

Jodie Mudd
 

Don't know if anyone mentioned that Jodie Mudd worked with the late Tom Tomasello. I remember visiting with Mr. Tomasello and on several occasions he mentioned and referenced Jodie Mudd. Watched many of Mudd's swings. :o

Memphis Mudd
 

I spent time with Jodie Mudd in the Mizuno equipment trailer last year at the Memphis St. Jude. He was preparing for his Champions Tour debut, and without an official equipment sponsor, he was having a new set of Mizunos irons built and tweaked.

We talked about a lot of things, including the round we played together more than two decades earlier when he was a young gun entered that week in the Atlanta Golf Classic (played at my home club, Atlanta Country Club). Also, about his work with Tommy.

I wrote a post about it then. Those interested can search Yoda's posts in the archives.

:salut:

Couldn't find it??? Post in the Archives?