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Yoda 09-28-2010 06:42 PM

Titular Honor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Burner (Post 76512)

"The Rein of Fame stay mainly on the Plane"


Love it - tag line of the decade!:laughing9

When it comes to post titles, nobody does it better than Drew!

:salut:

P.S. Somewhere in a galaxy far away, Bucket is now exercising a restraint mortal men can only dream of! :laughing9

BerntR 09-28-2010 09:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 76510)
Thanks, BerntR. The drawing definitely has merits. Again, the goal was 'instant communication' in an informal setting.

For what it's worth, I really like how these drawings explain things.

Please put me down for a preorder of your Alignment Golf Cartoon Edition. Just in case you'll ever write one.


This banana seems to have a dual horizontal hinge action btw:

:golfing_banana:

And this "golf head" seems to be leaning more towards angled hinging:

:golf:

12 piece bucket 09-29-2010 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drewitgolf (Post 76497)


Lynnard can't draw no goats? Or is this some sort of modern art type deal where you are to use your imagination . . . . THIS PICTURE SUX!!!!

I studied this picture all night last night . . . ate all the cheetoz in Davidson County . . . I can't figure this out . . . heading to urgent care now . . . strange orange ring has appeared . . . worried that I may have contracted something from looking at this freakin' picture . . . sheeps and lammas are chasing me . . . . HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HungryBear 09-29-2010 09:51 AM

Group Pix?
 
Please splain the group pix??

The Bear

drewitgolf 09-29-2010 10:08 AM

Finding Francis
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drewitgolf (Post 76364)

Bear,
If I understand your question...Francis Ouimet winning the 1913 U.S. Open...lowly caddie defeats the giants of the game.

drewitgolf 09-29-2010 10:18 AM

A bucket of turnips
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by drewitgolf (Post 76497)

This picture depicts how Mr. Bucket will pull "turnips" out of the ground. Note: we had to label "ground" in the picture so he wound't get confused.
The reason for the oval head is because Bucket would get his eyes real close to the ground when other were pulling out the "turnips" to see their progress. Hence, the label Impact Point and the oval head and the cry for help.

Yoda 09-29-2010 07:10 PM

Plane Facts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket (Post 76521)
Lynnard can't draw no goats? Or is this some sort of modern art type deal where you are to use your imagination . . . . THIS PICTURE SUX!!!!

I studied this picture all night last night . . . ate all the cheetoz in Davidson County . . . I can't figure this out . . . heading to urgent care now . . . strange orange ring has appeared . . . worried that I may have contracted something from looking at this freakin' picture . . . sheeps and lammas are chasing me . . . . HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Bucket,

:salut:

See my post #39 above.

:3gears:

12 piece bucket 10-01-2010 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 76543)
Bucket,

:salut:

See my post #39 above.

:3gears:

guilty!!!!!

12 piece bucket 10-01-2010 03:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 76543)
Bucket,

:salut:

See my post #39 above.

:3gears:

Oh and hey! that is MY GROUND SKOOL pic too by the way . . . never thought of it in that context until now . . . goat geometry!

Goat geometry is probably more appropriate at Waffle House . . . than Crackerbarrel though!

O.B.Left 10-02-2010 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 76293)



A bold question, to be sure.

Any takers?

:golfcart2:

Lynn, what significance, if any, do you attach to the shaft bend seen here?

Its induced by contact with the ground but ....... prior to that contact, shaft bend of this nature , along this axis (aft/front of shaft), would be consistent with an increase in the rate of Radial Acceleration and have a corresponding and associated feel of increased Lag Pressure at the #3pp in its "first joint" location. (6-C-2-A THE ESSENCE, for you guys following along at home)

In this photo the #3 pp , the entire Longitudinal Center of Gravity (from #3pp to sweetspot) lags behind the shaft.

Thats what I see ........... apart from the Impact Hands Location, which didnt make 12-3 for some reason. And why didnt it?

I'd venture that it would be impossible to get this Impact Hands Location alignment seen here by "swinging the clubhead"....and so you must "swing the hands" and feel the Lag. Lag Pressure that is. Pressure. You're at Both Arms Straight and the club is still in the ground!

O.B.Left 11-30-2010 06:03 PM

1 Attachment(s)
Coincidence? I doubt it.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=129115452 4


Did Lynn ever elaborate on this? Did that orange ring kill Bucket? Where the heck is that guy?

KevCarter 11-30-2010 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 79190)
Coincidence? I doubt it.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=129115452 4


Did Lynn ever elaborate on this? Did that orange ring kill Bucket? Where the heck is that guy?

Good catch OB. I hadn't noticed the significance of the logo before. I've got to get glasses, or YODA needs a bigger logo. That is FANTASTIC!

Kevin

Yoda 11-30-2010 10:51 PM

The Greatest Photo of Impact Ever Taken
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 79190)

Byron Nelson, 1937, the year he first won The Masters.

Note:

(1) The Clubhead is a blur;

(2) The camera couldn't catch the Clubshaft; and

(3) The Ball is still on the ground.

Then . . .

Check out the Hands.



:golfcart2:

O.B.Left 12-01-2010 02:07 AM

Ive marveled at that photo before but never noticed that the ball is still on the ground. Amazing.

Lynn I sense there's more to this ............will there be a time when we'll hear theeeeee rest of the story?

GPStyles 12-01-2010 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 79190)
Coincidence? I doubt it.

http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/a...d=129115452 4


Did Lynn ever elaborate on this? Did that orange ring kill Bucket? Where the heck is that guy?


Last seen at ABS.

Daryl 12-01-2010 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GPStyles (Post 79205)
Last seen at ABS.

There are a thousand ways to hit a Golf Ball.

KevCarter 12-01-2010 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 79206)
There are a thousand ways to hit a Golf Ball.

Absolutely! I just think it's strange they all have to take shots at Homer Kelley, and they all disagree about which parts to shoot at! After seeing this thread, I went back over there to take a peek. They feel Chapter 2 is right on, while the other dissenters feel that's the chapter that is totally bogus. :eyes:

No wonder golfers are so confused!

Our good friend Bucket will be back, he'll never lose this great foundation. Best thing about his journey is, he'll discuss with what he learns with us as different "feels" and in a way that's compatible with our studies. The mechanics won't change, just another way to get there...

I wish I had the smarts to just stick around here and get it right. Just too much fun watching the other train wrecks! :)

:golf:

Kevin

KevCarter 12-01-2010 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 79220)
I'm not allowed to talk about it.


ROTFL !!! :laughing9 :salut:

O.B.Left 12-01-2010 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 79200)
Byron Nelson, 1937, the year he first won The Masters.

Note:

(1) The Clubhead is a blur;

(2) The camera couldn't catch the Clubshaft; and

(3) The Ball is still on the ground.

Then . . .

Check out the Hands.



:golfcart2:



Im thinking there is something to the fact that both Mr Nelson and Mr Blake have most of their bodies to the target side of their eye line to the ball prior to impact. All but from their right knee on down actually.

There's no way that is in the yellow book......or is it ?

Daryl 12-01-2010 09:09 PM

O.B., you're a prince.

John Graham 12-02-2010 05:54 PM

I don't see the shaft head or ball.

Am I missing something?

Ok, so I blew up the picture but I'm not sure what it represents.

Hopefully, someone can help me.

That white spot is not a ball and you can clearly see the shaft just outside his left leg as straight as can be. An excellent post impact position.

Thanks for sharing that fantastic picture.

I sure wish I could keep my wrist that flat through impact.

O.B.Left 12-03-2010 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 79224)
O.B., you're a prince.

Thank you D. It takes one to know one, old boy.

Onwards and outwards and downwards.

Ob

Yoda 12-03-2010 12:59 AM

The Facts As They Are
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by John Graham (Post 79259)
I don't see the shaft head or ball.

Am I missing something?

Ok, so I blew up the picture but I'm not sure what it represents.

Hopefully, someone can help me.

That white spot is not a ball and you can clearly see the shaft just outside his left leg as straight as can be. An excellent post impact position.

This photo is exactly as I described in my post above. The 'white spot' is the ball (believe it); there is clubhead blur into it (not plainly visible per the explanation below); and the shaft was not 'caught' by the camera (you may be picking up the shadow in the crease of his left pants leg, the same effect also visible on that of the right).

These items are difficult to see -- that's why I pointed them out -- because the photo is a poor photocopy of the original I cut out of a book and sealed into the front cover of my 5th edition of TGM in 1981. The photocopy was shot through the acetate film under which I sealed the photo.

Bottom line: The facts are as I have presented them and are clearly visible -- or, in the case of the shaft, invisible -- in the original.

Because I view this as an extremely important photo, I will, at some point, turn it over to a professional and see what can be done to enhance it. One more item on an already overwhelming 'To Do' list.

:salut:

BerntR 12-03-2010 01:23 AM

Everyone who is impressed by Byron's impact alignments (and who isn't??) might want to check out Dustin Johnson at impact.

Yoda 12-03-2010 01:43 AM

Caveat Emptor
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 79208)

I just think it's strange they all have to take shots at Homer Kelley, and they all disagree about which parts to shoot at!

No wonder golfers are so confused!

The Pivot -- Homer Kelley's "massive rotor" -- and its six Components constitute fully 25 percent of the 24 identified in The Golfing Machine. Further, those six Components and their functions are grouped as Zone #1 (of three). The truth is that Homer felt that mastery of the Pivot was of paramount importance.

So, it really is quite sad when Mr. Kelley is characterized on the site mentioned as not understanding the Pivot, the rotational force it generates, the alignments it must produce and those it must maintain. Further, it is a shame to read through the posts and see the many gross misunderstandings, misstatements and mischaracterizations, all presented as fact.

But, it is what is, and it ain't my job to provide rebuttal. So, I recommend readers of all golf websites choose those concepts and procedures that work best for them (and, in the case of professionals, for their students), and leave the rest alone.

In the end, that's really all that counts.

:salut:

John Graham 12-03-2010 08:46 AM

Lynn,

Thanks for the reply.

I look forward to seeing the enhanced version some day.

KevCarter 12-03-2010 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 79264)
The Pivot -- Homer Kelley's "massive rotor" -- and its six Components constitute fully 25 percent of the 24 identified in The Golfing Machine. Further, those six Components and their functions are grouped as Zone #1 (of three). The truth is that Homer felt that mastery of the Pivot was of paramount importance.

So, it really is quite sad when Mr. Kelley is characterized on the site mentioned as not understanding the Pivot, the rotational force it generates, the alignments it must produce and those it must maintain. Further, it is a shame to read through the posts and see the many gross misunderstandings, misstatements and mischaracterizations, all presented as fact.

But, it is what is, and it ain't my job to provide rebuttal. So, I recommend readers of all golf websites choose those concepts and procedures that work best for them (and, in the case of professionals, for their students), and leave the rest alone.

In the end, that's really all that counts.

:salut:


Some folks feel it's there job to discredit all the great teachers and players who differ from their science. It's funny and sad at the same time. As long as they keep picking at you you know they're afraid of your principles.

SliceFixer said it best, all these methods can work for you, pick one and trust it. I'm happy the model I choose has a foundation that I can count on every day. What I learn today will stand the test of time and will work tomorrow.

Quote:

The Golf Stroke is all about inscribing near-perfect Circles with the orbiting Clubhead on the face of an Inclined Plane -- while simultaneously Sustaining Lag Pressure on the Clubshaft and controlling the Clubface through Impact. LYNN BLAKE
All that and more is in the book, thanks YODA and friends for helping us boneheads understand it. :salut:

Kevin

O.B.Left 12-03-2010 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 79264)

But, it is what is, and it ain't my job to provide rebuttal. So, I recommend readers of all golf websites choose those concepts and procedures that work best for them (and, in the case of professionals, for their students), and leave the rest alone.

In the end, that's really all that counts.

:salut:


Well said Lynn.

If I may, your "works best for them (and , in the case of professionals for their students)....." is very important to my mind. For though the teacher may have his personal preferred single best way, it may not be appropriate for his student. Homer knew this.....inside and out. There is no "one way"! A point that seems to be agreed upon universally even by those who appear to be method teachers, strangely.

I say this in a general sense, not sure what web site you guys are talking about. I "dont get around much any more".

innercityteacher 12-11-2010 01:16 AM

I have the most important illustration....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bumpy (Post 79452)
Perhaps it is because I have embraced the 'Darkside' but my benchmark would be based on producing an effect for the intended audience. Regarding the pane of glass, .....Quit swinging across the ball. There are a bunch of, "if you try do this, god willing, you won't do that", directed specifically at the masses(they appear to have missed the idea completely). -example- I would say the aiming point procedure is designed to produce an effect. For the player at least, I would say practicallity takes precedents over reality. The instructor should know both, without it there can be no balance in 'the force'.

Da, dot, da da, dot, da da, dot, da da.......

With good intentions,
Bumpy

.........and yes, I already have a touch of cabin fever here in Michigan.



"No, I am Spartacus!" :)


I can't get the picture to come up but here is the link to it:

http://creativesagest.blogspot.com/


Here is another link to software that will allow you to overlay "Golden Ratio" sections over anything, say like a golf swing:

http://www.atrise.com/golden-section/


Remember all those black and white photos of a golfer going back and forth at high speed?


HK, as an engineering type, knew of this picture and "proportionalism" or what the Greeks called "analogia." I will assert that he knew and understood the order and balance of human design. I think HK knew the answer ("It all works together by design!" and reverse engineered how effective golf swingsbio-mechanically worked.

ICT

Bumpy 12-11-2010 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 79474)
"No, I am Spartacus!" :)


I can't get the picture to come up but here is the link to it:

http://creativesagest.blogspot.com/


Here is another link to software that will allow you to overlay "Golden Ratio" sections over anything, say like a golf swing:

http://www.atrise.com/golden-section/


Remember all those black and white photos of a golfer going back and forth at high speed?


HK, as an engineering type, knew of this picture and "proportionalism" or what the Greeks called "analogia." I will assert that he knew and understood the order and balance of human design. I think HK knew the answer ("It all works together by design!" and reverse engineered how effective golf swingsbio-mechanically worked.

ICT

I must admit to being oblivious to the practical application of the Golden ratio to my golfswing. In fact, my proportions are more akin to an apple, Golden Delicious seems more appropriate.

Bumpy

innercityteacher 12-11-2010 12:57 PM

Lol.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bumpy (Post 79477)
I must admit to being oblivious to the practical application of the Golden ratio to my golfswing. In fact, my proportions are more akin to an apple, Golden Delicious seems more appropriate.

Bumpy

Perhaps a "Red Delicious?" Unless, but of course, you are over 62.5?

:)


Bumpy, this page will make the application clear.

http://www.cut-the-knot.org/do_you_k...denRatio.shtml


ICT

Bumpy 12-11-2010 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 79490)
Perhaps a "Red Delicious?" Unless, but of course, you are over 62.5?
:)
Bumpy, this page will make the application clear.
ICT

Didn't make a dent regarding the golfswing. Are you willing or able to provide a practical example regarding the golfswing where knowledge of the ratio would provide an advantage? I am very intrested in the practical application of the golden ratio. I have discoverd that the females that display the Golden Ratio have more intresting things to say. The golden ratio also seems to have an effect on patience.

Bumpy

Bumpy 12-13-2010 07:18 PM

Hmmmmmmm.........No reply.

I guess I will just maintain my lag. Seems the most practical to me.

Bumpy

innercityteacher 12-14-2010 12:14 AM

Bumpy, I'm sorry.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bumpy (Post 79495)
Didn't make a dent regarding the golfswing. Are you willing or able to provide a practical example regarding the golfswing where knowledge of the ratio would provide an advantage? I am very intrested in the practical application of the golden ratio. I have discoverd that the females that display the Golden Ratio have more intresting things to say. The golden ratio also seems to have an effect on patience.

Bumpy

Your sense of humor is great!

Kevin showed, in his picture, how ratios of the body effect the golf swing. To tell you the truth, the Golden Ratio is a "big picture concept" for me and it is very abstract and emotional for me (really).

My views of GOD are really conflicted and, well, the time of year, personal stuff yada, yada..... The "Big Design" stuff comforts me on a macro-level but frustrates me on a micro-level....anyway, I'll have a better concept of this in a few days.


Peace Out B!

ICT

airair 12-14-2010 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 79612)
Your sense of humor is great!

Kevin showed, in his picture, how ratios of the body effect the golf swing. Tot tell you the truth, the Golden Ratio is a "big picture concept" for me and it is very abstract and emotional for me (really).

My views of GOD are really conflicted and, well, the time of year, personal stuff yada, yada..... The "Big Design" stuff comforts me on a macro-level but frustrates me on a micro-level....anyway, I'll have a better concept of this in a few days.


Peace Out B!

ICT

Bold by me (Bold of me as well?) What happens in a few days?

innercityteacher 12-14-2010 04:20 PM

It Percs or percolates, Air.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 79629)
Bold by me (Bold of me as well?) What happens in a few days?

I simply relax, let the big person in the universe clue me in, and go forward. I'm not saying I know, but I usually feel so damn good and relaxed about the issue that I gain a better perspective.

And now, I'm thinking about the great steak sandwhich I had with Jerry and Kevin in Minnesota. That online Weight-Watchers is starting to play with my mind. :crybaby:


ICT

airair 12-14-2010 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 79668)
I simply relax, let the big person in the universe clue me in, and go forward. I'm not saying I know, but I usually feel so damn good and relaxed about the issue that I gain a better perspective.

And now, I'm thinking about the great steak sandwhich I had with Jerry and Kevin in Minnesota. That online Weight-Watchers is starting to play with my mind. :crybaby:


ICT

Good to have the right perspectives..

O.B.Left 12-16-2010 11:30 AM

Is the explanation of what Lynn thinks to be the" most important illustration in the history of golf " of no interest?

Maybe in another time another place those who are truly interested will get another chance. Maybe not.

airair 12-16-2010 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 79732)
Is the explanation of what Lynn thinks to be the" most important illustration in the history of golf " of no interest?

Maybe in another time another place those who are truly interested will get another chance. Maybe not.

You just wrote post 78 on the subject...

KevCarter 12-16-2010 11:37 AM

1 Attachment(s)
Quote:

Originally Posted by O.B.Left (Post 79732)
Is the explanation of what Lynn thinks to be the" most important illustration in the history of golf " of no interest?

Maybe in another time another place those who are truly interested will get another chance. Maybe not.

O.B. I study it daily, it's the "feel" I strive for starting with basic motion... It's my Powerbook's desktop picture!

Kevin


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