I'd like to mention the "Pause- N-Throw,'"which attaches to the back wrist and prevents the wrist from cocking helping the formation of a FLW and BRW. It is ordered from NZ and came promptly within 4 days. It is brilliant!

I am wondering about Rover Golf. It has been almost two weeks and I have not heard anything about the device I ordered from them, though I called their office and wrote them an email wishing to change my selected product. I will keep everyone posted.

ICT

4-d-0
 

This thing really looks good on the range. When your students can see and feel the concept of an inclined plane and how it relates to the golf swing they will be immediately on their way to better golf. Portable and adjustable, fits any club in the bag and fits entirely in the back of most cars. Hit full shots parallel to or sliding on the plane without damage to the club or the plane. Most likely for the first time, your students can experience the feeling of a true on plane shot, you'll use it nearly every lesson. They will want to warm up on it before their lesson, they will notice it walking to the range, everyone will because you can't miss it. It's more than a training aid, it's a billboard for your teaching area. Use alignment sticks to create tangents, pictured is the straight line delivery path and the forward leaning clubshaft. choose the colors of the face of the plane, the frame and custom embroidery. This plane was made for GSEM Greg Smith by GSEB whip

Damn it, you may be out of luck on that one Patrick...

This thing is very easy to setup and take down, total weight is around 25 pounds. Can be staked down on windy days, sets up on garage grass or carpet.

C-plane
 

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pm me if you want a custom C-plane a true representation of one of the six simple machines, the inclined plane. Homer says in 4-D-0 construct an inclined plane or use a low bench.

Hit full shots on it without damage to the C-plane or your club
fits in your car, comes with a carry bag for the frame
UV treated, strong, lightweight frame
effortless setup on grass, garage floor, or carpet
can be staked down for windy days
priceless teaching tool, you'll use it nearly every lesson
you choose all the colors, custom embroidery
effortlessly adjustable to any plane angle
visually appealing
ships inexpensively
draws attention to your teaching area like nothing else
cost comparable to home explanar

Impressive!
 

Very snazzy!

C how easy it is to learn on plane
 

the C-plane
 

the C-plane patent pending see and feel the plane

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Whip, I think your C-Plane looks FANTASTIC. Trying to give a lot of lessons and saving my sheckles to buy one. That would be a wonderful addition to any teaching tool box!!!

Kevin

Thanks kev! here is the link to the ebay listing. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=280686143943

C-plane
 

Thanks Kev! here are some new pics

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I found your eBay listing $999.00.

Looks like a great product.

I just hope you can make it more affordable for all.

When you have a product that is quality hand-made and requires a very large amount of premium materials the cost is higher to both seller and buyer. The frame is professionally built with premium High impact threshhold, UV resistant, high gloss finish materials.
The pads are professionally upholstered with premium nylon and foam. I was able to accomplish most of what i wanted with the device and It is truly made with the buyer in mind as much as possible without comprimising the quality. Every C-plane is made one at a time, with your favorite colors, and custom embroidery. If you research other products you will find the C-plane to be the most correct aid on the market, and is less expensive than similar aids.


HERE IS MY NEW WEBSITE, THE STORE IS NOT OPEN YET BUT WILL BE SOON

thecplane.com

I'm sold. The bullet points most important to me:

• Easily adjustable to fit any club in the bag, any plane angle

• Surprising portability, collapsible frame with carrying case and plane pads fold up to fit in the back of most compact cars

• True geometric representation of a flat inclined plane provides the golfer with a flat padded surface, not just a rim to ensure the clubshaft is on plane from start-up to follow-through


I love teaching plane to my beginners using Homer's visual of standing in the roof of a house with the shaft never coming off the roof. One end of the shaft always pointed at the gutter. This tool will make that presentation a snap. No more looks of WTF from my students... :-)

Kevin

Easy, Big Boy. I'm not giving up my WTF look.

C-plane
 

thecplane.com storefront now open shop.thecplane.com
created by whip GSEB authorized instructor of the golfing machine

lbg plane
 

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On Line For On Plane
 

Looks great, Whip. PM me, and we'll coordinate. Thanks!

lb

VERY NICE! I'm still trying to put it together Whip... :salut:

Kevin

aha moment
 

:salut: kevcarter

4-D-0

here are a few before and after pictures using the C-plane
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Very cool. If you wanted to put up the C-plane in your back yard, how long does it take to put it up and then pack it back up for storage?

Takes less than two minutes to take up and put down very simple, couldn't be much simpler in fact. Thank you for your interest.

Thanks. I am not an instructor, just an amateur trying to get better. Are there any videos or drills available showing how an individual could use the C-plane to maximum advantage?

I will be creating a video when I return in august to demonstrate the many uses of the c-plane. C-plane is for anyone interested in helping others improve or improving themselves. I created the c-plane because I was constantly under plane and it drove me crazy. The c-plane would be used to it's maximum advantage simply by working on all components while standing and swinging on c-plane because all components must be adjusted to be on plane.

A very good way to utilize c-plane is to set it up where you would be hitting balls wether the range or the backyard, foam golf balls or real golf balls. Grab any club and adjust c-plane to your intended plane angle or the clubs lie angle flatly soled. Begin by swinging the club back and forth sliding on the plane pads, do this several times to get a feel for it then place a ball just a few inches outside the plane and actually hit a ball swinging parallel to the plane pads then go back to sliding it on the plane pads and repeat maybe ten practice swings to every swing with a ball. This is a very effective way of translating your new feelings.

C-plane is also extremely useful I have found for knee action and hip action, for those that tend to over slide their hips in the backstroke or downstroke, or their knees shoot out too much. Get that nice knee, hip and foot action like rory.

For over sliding in the backstroke setup very near to the right side of the plane so the plane pads and frame will keep your hip from sliding too much to the right. setup on the far left of c-plane to prevent over sliding in the downstroke learn to bump your left hip slightly and then get it out of the way turning back and behind you to allow the arms to swing freely through to both arms straight.

For those that tend to shoot the knees out too much, setup with your knees a couple inches behind the frame standing in c-plane so that the club will be well outside the plane pads, make practice swings noticing that because of the parallel frame bar you must work your knees slightly toward one another rather than too much toward the ball.

Using c-plane in this way is extremely beneficial to your pivot and as homer tells us
zone 1 (the pivot) is so essential for good golf.

Another advantage of the c-plane is that it gives you parallel lines for your stance line and plane line and you can see the true relationship of your flight line to the plane line, it will tell you immediately if you are pulling or pushing the ball in relation to the plane line. In this way it also trains your eyes for all important aiming, because once you start hitting the ball good you better get that aim right.

C-plane can also be used to pitch and chip through as a large target or to give you visual for starting trajectory by hitting full shots through it.

One should remember that plane angle has no effect on the plane line, it is not likely that a golfer can swing on one plane rather the goal is to make a minimal plane shift while not bending the plane line, the golfer may set up c-plane on elbow plane and at the halfway point in the backstroke the player will likely shift off the plane pads to a slightly steeper plane but the butt of the club should still be pointing at the plane line.

c-plane is not just a swing plane trainer, actually it is an entire swing trainer.

One should remember that plane angle has no effect on the plane line, it is not likely that a golfer can swing on one plane rather the goal is to make a minimal plane shift while not bending the plane line, the golfer may set up c-plane on elbow plane and at the halfway point in the backstroke the player will likely shift off the plane pads to a slightly steeper plane but the butt of the club should still be pointing at the plane line."

Thanks for that detailed reply. I have a general idea of the plane (from the Hogan book), but not exactly sure what I am even trying to do in my swing in regards to trying to stay on one plane (elbow vs. shoulder, vs. clubshaft plane), shifting to a different plane, etc...

Videos would be very helpful, or better yet lessons with an AI who has a cplane to help one use this tool effectively.

Generally the plane you will swing on is dictated by the clubs lie angle, set the club flatly soled on the ground, your startup and backstroke will go backwards upwards and inwards simultaneously, the hands and clubhead should travel up the same line as the clubs intended lie angle to about the halfway point in the swing then it will likely shift up to a slightly steeper plane, I realize a good video is necessary to really demonstrate this I will try to put one up ASAP.

I don't see how the lie angle can have a bearing on a 3d motion, if I set my clubs 6 degrees flat it would likely produce a flat backswing?

Very impressive. Obviously you guys have thought this thing through for many applications.

If it would help me with the elusive left hip bump and turn, it would be worth it.

Amazing how a combination of the left hip bump and keeping the head behind it can produce a seemingly effortless additional 25 yards on the tee shot. Ill add that keeping that right knee moving on through the impact area, rather than the right foot stuck on the ground, is another key component, for me anyhow. Provided of course you have some hula hula felxibility vs. the Herman Monster/Tin Man look.

Thanks. So I presume then that if you set the C-plane at the club lie angle so that the head and shaft rest on the plane from start up to the halfway point, then it would be a mistake to try to keep the shaft on the C-plane from halfway point to End (because you are shifting to a steeper plane). That is one of the things I was not clear about, and without your reply I would have just thought that the goal is to keep the shaft on the plane for the entire backswing and downswing.

Also, in the Hogan book I recall he said that the downswing plane is flatter and points a bit right compared to the backswing plane. That is another issue that I am not clear about, as TGM doesn't say that the plane line changes as far as I am aware.

Not sure I understand the question, remember it is a general statement. the player can choose to swing on any plane angle regardless of the clubs lie angle, but he may run into problems if his/her plane is too flat or too steep beyond the lie angle of the club because they may hit the ground with the heel or toe before separation, the ideal solution as homer states would be a club a more rounded heel to toe. We have many choices in this game but the goals are the same, straight plane line, flat left wrist, club head lag pressure point, rhythm, balance and a stationary post are the imperatives and essentials of any golf motion with exception of some special shots around the greens regarding the flat left wrist.

There would be no mistake of swinging the club on a single plane with zero shift, it is just not common and most players are not capable of this. Ideally the golfer should create a two dimensional, flat plane, once he bends the plane line it becomes three dimensional and precision is lost. The plane line should not change, the golfer should always swing along the plane line but not necessarily the flight line.

Thank you whip. I am sure I will be ordering a C-plane pretty soon. I've been playing for a long time, but the more I understand my swing, the more I realize how crucial the plane is. Usually when things go bad it is because I have gotten off-plane.

your welcome, thank you for your interest in the C-plane and in the golfing machine.

prototype
 

lynn blakes c-plane prototype plane pads...
i will be working on a video soon to demonstrate the c-plane
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I don't see how this could possibly work, as the shaft rotates around the sweetspot, which is the thing that should stay on some plane. If the sweetspot stays on a plane, the shaft cannot.

Yes you are correct, What couldn't work?

Joe, our good friend Jeff Evans put together a really good video describing this very thing. Monitoring the shaft plane and sweet spot plane using a devise like Whip's.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwFXt... AF8FE4AEC091

I know YODA has written about this as well, but Jeff's video came to mind. Hope it's OK to post it, Jeff is a huge believer in Lynn's work. Hope you are getting better Jeff. We miss seeing your voice!

I can't fiind the reference, but I remember Homer Kelley saying it was VERY important to use a device with this look of a flat plane to learn G.O.L.F. I don't have one yet, but will someday... I had been looking at the pvc devices, and while cheaper, don't give anywhere near the great visual of the C-Plane IMHO.

Kevin

Here is a really good explanation tying to Jeff's video I found from Drewitgolf:

I think understanding that we need to monitor both sweetspot plane, and shaft plane, while understanding the difference is key...

Kevin

Thanks Kevin. But here's the problem. In the video, Jeff is rotating the sweetspot around the shaft until it finally lies on the plane board with the shaft. At that point, the sweetspot hasn't shifted planes, but rather its plane gets deformed, making it 3 dimensional. But here's the bigger problem: The job of pp#3 is to feel the sweetspot and if any part of the shaft between pp#3 and the sweetspot touches anything, you will sense that contact point, rather than the sweetspot. The shaft must only touch AIR.

Understood. Thanks MizunoJoe. :salut:

Kevin