Let's Get It From the Horse's Mouth
 

Matt,

I know Jeff has been doing some work on this lately. I'm sure he will be happy to weigh in and share his thoughts on the subject.

Buckety Bucket
 

Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket


I HATE YOU NOW!!!!!!



Lynn,
I'm with you - I'd rather hang out with more intelligent, better looking, cleaner life forms! I'm assuming that's what you meant- of course as Head Honcho I know you can't say that directly!

P.S. Please don't take his post personally he's a very angry individual! :violent:

And to Bucket! You will not attack- YODA! I'm jumping in my house (car) right now- Heading East! (Oh ya- No Gas!)

Epic
 

Thanks for letting us in on such a great session. So many pearls of wisdom. I will watch these over and over.

",,,like your arms are gonna fly out of their sockets down line,,,"

",,,hit it as hard as you can and just stop the follow through,,,"

BOOM

Demonstrating the rolling left wrist on the horizontal plane,,,

",,,the club overtaking the hands, ahh it overtook em', but the left wrist stayed flat,,,"

Setting the hands in impact alignment and keep em' there all the way down,,,

:notworthy :pray: :notworthy :pray: :clap:

Not worthy also seems like an understatement.

Finally got a chance to watch them last night and all I can say is a THANK YOU!! Great stuff and a lot of things to digest and go over in the old noggin.
Yoda, Jeff. Thanks for your time and effort in this video series.
How much are flights to the Swamp again?? My X-Wing is not working :D
Alex

I know this may sound strange but I am totally lost without a mechanical thought. In fact I tried to play for a while only focusing on the target and I hit the ball all over the place.

Just like a computer I try to imput the information I need to hit every shot. Once the information is in I rehearse the pattern and look,look,look in order to make sure it is correct (everyone thinks I am trying to copy Weir or Dimarco but I have been making downstroke waggles for a long time). Once I am satisfied I pull the trigger.

I have found that if I only focus on the pattern that produces the shot I need, I do not worry about hazards on the course. It is all about execution. Focus on the execution during the swing, focus on the target before you swing.

Matt,
I have many "different" ways of phrasing things that often get taken out of context, so don't feel bad. My head stays "down" too long past impact in my opinion because of years of playing golf with a hang back, swing up motion. There are many bad habits that become engrained in our early years and this is one of mine.

I actually like the position of my head, I only wish it would swivel faster to finish. In fact, when I make practice swings and work on acquired motion drills, my head is in much better position.

Like I said in the video, the ball is long gone so its not something I am going to stress over, just practice a little more.

I think you are on to something. . . .

All these Mental Guru's talk about Process Thinking versus Outcome Thinking . . . But then they tell you to focus on the target. Ain't that the "outcome?" I would say mechanics HAS to be the PROCESS . . . Period. I think Chapter 5 is HUGE in this regard.

Concentration
 

This is one of the best things I have read in a long time.

It is the Fifth Programming Routine of Chapter 14 -- a complete shift from "Ball Action" to "You Action."

It is the non-emotional execution of your procedure.

It is the Mental Game in a nutshell.

Thanks for the video

Yoda,
I don't remember there being talk of any "throw" on this forum before.

Golfgnome bringing it up in the video, and both of you discussing it, has brought up some information that I wouldn't have believed unless it was someone like you discussing it.

Until now, I thought that if did a "throw" from that point in the swing, then there would be less mass at impact to give the ball a beating. Is this thought irrelevant?

Also, I would like to mention that I've been using a instrument similar to the one Tom Tomasello is using in his videos to Ideit (the one where there is a lever at the bottom that is flung out). When I made swings with it before, the little lever at the bottom fly out, feel like it stayed in that position for an instant too long, and then rotate back in. Now, with that left-arm or left-hand throw, that bottom lever flies out and then snaps right back in one continuous motion. Do you think that is what should be happening?

One last thing, exactly what is the "throwing" feeling like for you? Does it start at release? Does it feel like you are throwing with mainly your left hand? Or does it feel like you are throwing the clubhead?

Thanks again for the information. How amazing it is to log on to the forum late at night and be told that a set of LBG forum videos are on their way (and to go get my popcorn)!

Throws
 

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There should be plenty of information on THROWS on here. There are actually several kinds. Left Wrist Throw, Right Arm Throw, Right Shoulder Throw...and others. Chapter 10-20-0

This is very different than THROW-AWAY.

The Throw... triggers the Release.

The Throws -- Release Triggers
 

Thanks for your comments on our video, noproblemos. We appreciate them!

I am sure there are many references to the various "Throws" in my posts. Search the Archives for the Release Triggers (10-20). That is what the Throws are -- the five Release Triggers.

Jeff clearly shows how the club head swivels against the plane on the back swing. A lot of motion in that right forearm/elbow. This one alignment seems key to letting the throw/left arm karate chop to do their powerful work. Thanks.

Thanks Yoda and Lagster for setting me straight.

This is going to turn out like the "John Riegger/Rob Noel" videos. After watching them I thought, "What are you talking about 'Basic Motion/Acquired/Total'? I didn't think those things were important!"
But after I went back to old posts on the forum, I collected about 20 pages of writings on the subject, some from over a year back.

I'm going to have some fun reading for the next several weeks, at least.

Thanks again!

So the "THROW" they're talking about in this video, is it the "wrist throw"?

Thanks

Excellent - thank you

Throws In Combination
 

The Left Wrist Throw (10-20-E) is what you see in the video. It is preceded by the Shoulder Turn Throw (10-20-C) that "blasts" the Left Arm off the chest. In an Automatic Snap Release, the Delivery Path Throw (10-20-D) produces the Wrist Throw.

I have to say that these videos opened my eyes to a misconception that I hand about horizontal hinging. We all know that HH has a full roll feel. Well, after mimmicking what I saw on the video, I realized that HH, for me, felt like no roll at all. Then I remembered why; the left wrist stays vertical to it's associated plane. My full roll feel was actually overrolling. Remember, Will, the Hinge pin is in the shoulder, not the wrist:eyes: .

Keep those videos comin'. The visuals and associated explanations have really made learning TGM PROPERLY a lot easier. Not a replacement for a competent AI, but extremely helpful in lieu of.

Is this the wrong place to ask this question?:

What is the difference between non-automatic vs automatic release? Is non-automatic just to make it more of a sweep release?

Great Stuff Man!!! - Incubation #1
 

Gotta say, The Jeff Hull Video Series has become one of my all time favorites. I would estimate that I have spent at least 8 hours of watching them, be it in total or parts. They be GREAT!!!!

Some questions or points of clarifications (Sorry no particular order, just as they rolled out of the incubator)

1. In the third segment, about 70 seconds into it, Lynn begins to discuss the Acquired Motion, but I think it is just a mis-statement, he said "before in the Acquired Motion" (I think this should be Basic Motion) that it was either left arm pull or right arm push.... Not a biggie, I just want to make sure I didn't turn left when everyone else turned right. It should have been Basic Motion?

2. Jeff your waggle at address, on the Total Motion it appears that it is with the club above the ball at start whereas for the Basic and Acquire, the club head appeared to be at ground level. Is this normal, if so what is the reason or was this because of this being a demonstration?

3. What starts your waggle? Does the Tempo of your waggle relate to the shot at hand?

4. Jeff do you have a plane shift? I ask because in the first segment, you take a practice motion and then on your actual stroke it appears that you go to the spot, shoulder height, then up a bit to the top/end? Something on the order of single shift or maybe a double shift.

5. On Basic Motion, some of the shots appear as if the bending of the right wrist is increase at either the end of the back stroke or at the beginning of the down stroke. Is this something you try to do or is this, for the lack of a better words, some form of loading/setting to max out the distance on Basic Motion?

By the way, your shot looking at the camera while hitting was really impressive.

Thanks again for you time and effort in providing this great video series.

Summarizing the Basic Motion Curriculum
 

Yes, Martee, the same thing jumped out at me. As we moved into the Acquired Motion segment, I briefly summarized the immediately preceding Basic Motion and mistakenly said "Acquired" instead of "Basic." Oh well, the joys of the 'live' presentation! Fortunately, I later made a similar reference and got it right.

For the record, the Basic Motion (Stage One) is all about the Basic Body Positions, the Power Package alignments and the Arm Accumulators. The Acquired Motion (Stage Two) introduces Body Motion and the Hand Action Accumulators. The Total Motion (Stage Three) moves toward unrestricted motion, but still at less than full Power until alignments are perfected.

Stage Three is done first with the Middle Irons and then repeated with the Long Irons and Woods. Consequently, as Homer Kelley described it to me, there are actually five Stages in the Basic Motion Curriculum, not three.

Hold up . . . wait a minute . . .

Did you just admit a MISTAKE? :) A little birdie told me you don't do that???

I guess I wasn't clear or inexact in my description, it wasn't that he mispoke...is was that the 'mike' misheard :happy3:

:) :) :salut: :salut:

Lynn,
Are there any areas of golf that interest you outside of TGM?
Is there an update on your trip to the Titleist Performance Institute?
What did you think about the 3-D technology?

Yoda,

I've been following your website from afar and wanted express my gratitude for taking this site light years ahead of the old TGM forum with the addition of the videos. The guidance and commentary that you have provided to the little yellow book has been amazing. I think HK wrote the book the only way it could have been, but in order to translate some of the concepts, these ideas just need further discussion.

If pictures are worth a thousand words, than your videos would be worth a million. It's easy to dismiss basic and acquired when just reading TGM, but to watch and feel these small swings has taught me more about the golf swing than anything I've done before. I was recently on a business trip and noticed the new videos with Jeff. I downloaded them and watched them while flying at 30,000 feet for 2 hours on the way home. Beat the heck out of any in flight movie I must add.

Once again, thank you so much for your contributions to understanding the golf swing. I look forward to the growth this site and lifting more of the fog.

This one made me smile, Ming. A big 'ol green ear-to-green ear grin. :grin:

LBG at 30,000 feet.

Priceless.

This is your captain speaking . . .
 

<INSERT - Joke about the "mile high club"> Over.

Absolutely brilliant videos Jeff and Lynn. Thank you so much.

Lynn I can't wait for your DVD to come out, so I can get some really solid golf instruction. Oh ... I am in Australia so don't forget to make some DVDs that are compatible with the DVD players down here. Thanks again for all your excellent work :)

International DVDs
 

Thanks for your comments, Novice. And thanks, too, for the reminder that V.J. and I have got to keep the different international DVD formats in mind.

How is Yoda going to to "knock our collective socks off" with the much anticipated instructional video, if he keeps deliving such great instructional videos in advance of his own videos release? When Yoda says he is with us all the way, perhaps some newcomers might be sceptical, but he absolutely delivers on his promise. The clear purpose of this forum is to raise the stature of the golfing machine in the golfing world by helping individuals improve their games.

There were two standout gems for me in the golfgnome video that most definitely increased my knowledge of the swing that I want to own.

1) I knew a lateral hip move was required to start the downswing, but the Old Waverly Vijay move that Jeff learned was a rare instances where sound was just as important as picture in helping to deliver an important golf message. Its hard to spell the golfgnome's grunt, but it was most beneficial in focusing my attention on the need to execute the hip move far more crisply than what I had previously believed.

2) The downswing waggle provided by Yoda illustrated new ground for me. I had previously thought that driving my elbow down to my side was the initial part of my arm's drive to lowpoint. I didn't understand that the elbow gets reattached to my right side as the secondary result of the hip advance, and it was a body move, not an arm move Further, the waggle you demonstrated illustrates the valuable role of the moving right shoulder downplane to generate additional power for a hitter by increasing the distance through the ball that he can hit.

Finding these two ideas in just one 5 minute segment of the video was quite exceptional. I also love the idea Jeff shared that the golfer's target is driving through the ball to lowpoint and beyond and the balls target is the flage on the green. Overall, a truly superior effort.

Making A Difference
 

Thanks, rvwink.

It is sincere comments such as your own that stokes our motivation and keeps our home-fires burning. As you have said, each of us here at Team LBG truly is focused on "Bringing Power and Precision to your game," and we appreciate knowing that we are making a difference.

:)

If the DVD format is Region 0 (region free) then it will work worldwide. Most educational DVDs are in this format.
Alex

First post I think. Long time browser.

I loved those videos. Since watching them I have seen my swing improve steadily. I had a pair of TGM lessons but was confused about a couple of things, as you can get a bit blown over by all the stuff you need to improve. But the video on the Acquired Motion was just what I needed. The idea of throwing the hands out as opposed to manipulating the clubhead, was like a missing link.

Thanks Yoda and Jeff.

Interesting videos. One of the things that jumped out at me though was how much crisper Yoda's impact sounds than Jeff's.

Georgia Dreamin'
 

Only in my dreams, jplestat.

Jeff Hull is by far a better Ballstriker and a more accomplished player. I only wish I had the information I have now when I was 'coming of age' in Golf.

The good news is that I now have the great privilege of sharing that information with others every day.

And the joy of doing so with friends.

:)

Don't poormouth old timer! I never seen Jeff hit it and I'm quite sure he can compress it with the best of 'em . . . you won't toot your horn so I'll do it for you.

BUT BUCKET HAS SEEN IT FOR HIMSELF AND LYNN BLAKE CAN SLAP RIP THE DIMPLES OF A GOLF BALL . . . . PERIOD.

I'm with Bucket on this one. I was privileged to see the Man himself hit some balls and boy could you hear the compression off that ball!!!
Alex

Well I think you are being gracious and humble. But I will stand by what I haerd in the video.

That leads me to a serious question. In your instruction, and in your student's learning, how much do you use sound as a gauge of proper execution ?

In my recent practices, I have worked only on maintaining the "flying wedges" as you call them in my swing. I am new to TGM and think of my self as a feel player, so I have not gotten too invloved in all the terminology. You do a great job, however, of distilling that down to workable advice here on your site. What I have noticed though is that when I do maintain the wedges in a swing, not only do I hit the ball 20% farther, but the sound is completely different. It is quite noticeably different than others on the range. My ball striking has gotten much cripser in the last few sessions working on just this element of your instructional cannon.

I was a 5 hdcp, who had his swing ruined by a PGA accredited professional who adopted the method du jour (Hardy) and quite soundly ruined my swing to the point where I dipped to a 15. When I was a 5 I remember the feel of playing with "no hands", and I had lost that. When I tried to maintain the flying wedges, I recovered that same "no hands" feeling which paradoxically is more like controlling the swing with the hands to properly to make it "feel" like you are doing nothing with them. I am excited about getting back to where I was and improving on that, and I think that your instruction has finally pointed me in the right direction. I thank you for that and for this site. (Now if you would only return to SoCal :)

I plan to continue working with the ideas you present here. First off, I have to figure how to get my right forearm on plane which I seem unable to do.

Thanks again.

What am I doing wrong I can not get the videos?

Where are you trying to get them? This series is available in the pro-shop or the premium video section of the gallery. If you're having trouble with the payment process, please pm me or email webmaster@lynnblakegolf.com with the exact error message you're getting.

where does he mention the throws